[Politics] Brexit

[Jim D]

I've met more meaningful Germans than I ever had Tory's. I'd buy a German a pint. A Tory.............

I haven't had any Tories either but I'm not sure what this has to do with a Labour Brexit, unless you're suggesting that Labour would be instructed by Germany regarding the deal they would do?

 

[ManOfSussex]

I haven't had any Tories either but I'm not sure what this has to do with a Labour Brexit, unless you're suggesting that Labour would be instructed by Germany regarding the deal they would do?

You can't trust a Tory. You can trust a German. #fact.

 

[portslade seagull]

It's definitely NOT "early days". The cliff edge is less than 18 months away. If things don't get an awful lot better in the next six months many more businesses will be relocating, and a lot of things will start to unravel. We hold ZERO cards - the EU can just sit on their hands waiting for 29th March 2019 if they want. At which point, with a No Deal outcome there will be a huge number of very negative consequences (no flights to Europe, pretty much no exports to Europe (the hold ups trying to get goods into France or Belgium via ferries/channel tunnel will virtually cease trade within 24 hours). Many essential goods (drugs, chemicals, equipment, etc) will be more difficult to get hold of, and more expensive. The prospect of violence breaking out in Northern Ireland. A large number of EU27 citizens will have returned home - hospitals and other care services will barely be able to function. The pound will have fallen even further. ...etc, etc).

It will be pretty grim. Anyone who thinks "No Deal" is good news for the UK should start investigating the reality pretty damn quick.

Bend over backwards and accept it then. EU over everything.

 

[pastafarian]

If you can find out what a 'Socialist Brexit' means let me know.

I remember the late banned Cunning Fergus pointing out very well that real socialists could only vote to Leave if they were true to socialism(and no this doesnt mean you must be a socialist if you did vote leave), and pointed out very well too how many on NSC claiming to be socialists are nothing of the sort.
Bit like the kids who have been brainwashed by momentum I suppose.

 

[brighton fella]

Today Socialists are communists end of.

 

[portslade seagull]

Today Socialists are communists end of.

I'm not sure any of them know what they are

 

[sir albion]

It means a Brexit that doesn't **** over millions of people in this country to uphold a Redwood/Rees-Mogg ideological/Miss Marple Britain Brexit and never ending austerity/continuation of squeezed living standards/Tory Brexit/Universal Credits scandal..........it's going to be shooting fish in a barrel at the next election. Europe has always been a Tory problem. Get out out of it. #goodbeyandgoodriddance

(clapyourhands#clapyourhands)

Don't suppose the reason this country has been on a downward spiral is because of the EU?
Naturally many in this country will never blame the glorious EU for any problems and the massive increase in poverty and mass migration strangely coincide.I want a great Europe again in which every country within has its own powers to have borders and to control immigration....we all know that throughout the world what happens when you have mass migration and soaring populations ad this is clear too see.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Don't suppose the reason this country has been on a downward spiral is because of the EU?
Naturally many in this country will never blame the glorious EU for any problems and the massive increase in poverty and mass migration strangely coincide.I want a great Europe again in which every country within has its own powers to have borders and to control immigration....we all know that throughout the world what happens when you have mass migration and soaring populations ad this is clear too see.

I don't blame The EU for large scale non-EU immigration to this country. I don't blame The EU for The British Government not imposing proper transitional arrangements on the A8 countries in 2004, as France and Germany did, and other restrictions it could impose on EU migrants but choose not to. I don't blame the problems and failings this country has on immigrants, full stop. I certainly don't blame The EU for austerity, the financial crisis and the British Government's response to it or how this country is run. It's the fault of the numpties in Westminster, not The EU.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Don't suppose the reason this country has been on a downward spiral is because of the EU?
Naturally many in this country will never blame the glorious EU for any problems and the massive increase in poverty and mass migration strangely coincide.I want a great Europe again in which every country within has its own powers to have borders and to control immigration....we all know that throughout the world what happens when you have mass migration and soaring populations ad this is clear too see.

Of course, it could be entirely plausible and possible that the increase in poverty is to do with austerity and the longest fall in value of wages since records began...

 

[Hampster Gull]

Don't suppose the reason this country has been on a downward spiral is because of the EU?
Naturally many in this country will never blame the glorious EU for any problems and the massive increase in poverty and mass migration strangely coincide.I want a great Europe again in which every country within has its own powers to have borders and to control immigration....we all know that throughout the world what happens when you have mass migration and soaring populations ad this is clear too see.

Nope, the UK had been on a downward spiral well before the EU. A cursory glance at history shows that, have a look at the slow decline of the Empire, well before the EU existed. But regardless, weare much wealthier now than we have ever been.

As an illustration, have a look at the date of Enoch Powells river of blood speech. It was 1968. We joined the EU in 1973.

Yes, we could. But it heightens the risk of war within Europe. We have had unprecedented peace in recent times.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I have accepted the referendum result from day one, I am busy trying to hold people accountable for what they promised to deliver. I think you need to check if you have accepted the referendum? Are we going to get out given the current state of negotiations? Are we going to deliver on any of the promises made?

One version of a socialist Brexit (note this is no more labour policy, than John Redwood representing the Tories) is tighter immigration controls, nationalisation of key industries, market regulation and a push to put more money in the pocket of low paid workers. This one is just as flawed as Minford's master unilateral free trade strategy. It ticks the sovereignty and immigration boxes.

Excellent news. The only people we can hold accountable are the ones in power. Boris, Gove during the campaign and HM government afterwards promised we would be out of the single/internal market, customs union, end free movement and primacy of ECJ, end ongoing large-scale payments to the EU, regain the ability to strike our own trade deals, get as good a trade deal with the EU as possible without infringing on the previous promises. While there might me some limited flexibility at the margins I take it we can agree a final deal broadly adhering to these principles is what we are aiming for? Also for promises see Red lines .. not so hard after all then.

In what way have I not accepted it? Unsure what you mean by 'are we going to get out'. We are leaving yes, even a no deal option fulfils nearly all of the main principles/promises.

That's more a (yep flawed) Socialist manifesto for government than a Socialist Brexit plan. Yes, one reason for taking back control is giving the UK government more power to enact their policies .. even if they are ones I disagree with.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

It means a Brexit that doesn't **** over millions of people in this country to uphold a Redwood/Rees-Mogg ideological/Miss Marple Britain Brexit and never ending austerity/continuation of squeezed living standards/Tory Brexit/Universal Credits scandal..........it's going to be shooting fish in a barrel at the next election. Europe has always been a Tory problem. Get out out of it. #goodbeyandgoodriddance

(clapyourhands#clapyourhands)

I do so enjoy your alcohol fuelled late night considered contributions. Two problems though .. your telling me what it isn't going to be rather than what it would really mean. Which is understandable as Real/continuity Labour's rather fluid Brexit policy is all about causing problems for the government rather than any principled national interest position. Secondly, unless Tory MP's want to vote down their own government possibly ushering in Marxist loons a Brexit deal (or no deal and exit) would have been signed off and being implemented before the next General election (2022).

(clap … *hic* … )

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I remember the late banned Cunning Fergus pointing out very well that real socialists could only vote to Leave if they were true to socialism(and no this doesnt mean you must be a socialist if you did vote leave), and pointed out very well too how many on NSC claiming to be socialists are nothing of the sort.
Bit like the kids who have been brainwashed by momentum I suppose.

It is amusing seeing supposed Marxists, class warriors, Socialists arguing alongside the rich elites and multinationals to stay in one of the worlds biggest capitalist clubs. So much for comradely solidarity with the far left Greek government or their people. The EU project, German and other nations banks spreadsheets far more important than the democratic voice of a member state. Vote against austerity as many times as you like .. you will get imposed crushing austerity on a scale and severity that even those dastardly Tories would never consider. Unimaginable suffering and misery for the poorest and most vulnerable still going on today … real Socialists my arse.

 

[portslade seagull]

I wonder what are incumbent remainers think of Merkel setting a limit of 200,000 max for inward migration. The silence has been somewhat deafening yet they deride the UK Gov for wanting the same thing.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

I wonder what are incumbent remainers think of Merkel setting a limit of 200,000 max for inward migration. The silence has been somewhat deafening yet they deride the UK Gov for wanting the same thing.

Or the fact the EU is bullying Hungary because they won't accept migrants quotas. Who the fk do the EU think they are. This sort of thing should be left for each country to decide.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I wonder what are incumbent remainers think of Merkel setting a limit of 200,000 max for inward migration. The silence has been somewhat deafening yet they deride the UK Gov for wanting the same thing.

I am not sure what your point is. The 200,000 figure refers to asylum seekers - refugees granted sanctuary for humanitarian reasons. It is not to be confused with EU citizens arriving in Germany under the union's freedom of movement arrangements. As far as I know, the UK government hasn't been derided by anyone for giving asylum to 200,000 refugees. I believe the UK accepted around 20,000 such asylum-seekers last year.

 

[The Rivet]

I don't blame The EU for large scale non-EU immigration to this country. I don't blame The EU for The British Government not imposing proper transitional arrangements on the A8 countries in 2004, as France and Germany did, and other restrictions it could impose on EU migrants but choose not to. I don't blame the problems and failings this country has on immigrants, full stop. I certainly don't blame The EU for austerity, the financial crisis and the British Government's response to it or how this country is run. It's the fault of the numpties in Westminster, not The EU.

No I blame the Labour party in power in 2004 and who nearly bankrupted the country by the time the populace kicked them out.

Of course, it could be entirely plausible and possible that the increase in poverty is to do with austerity and the longest fall in value of wages since records began...

Another who cannot see why we have had to have austerity policies. Blame Labour.

 

[Baldseagull]

Don't suppose the reason this country has been on a downward spiral is because of the EU?
Naturally many in this country will never blame the glorious EU for any problems and the massive increase in poverty and mass migration strangely coincide.I want a great Europe again in which every country within has its own powers to have borders and to control immigration....we all know that throughout the world what happens when you have mass migration and soaring populations ad this is clear too see.

The Banks mate, we have had austerity for years to try and get us out of the shit the banks put us in, apparently we were on target to hit a budget surplus in 2020, until Brexit result.

 

[The Rivet]

The Banks mate, we have had austerity for years to try and get us out of the shit the banks put us in, apparently we were on target to hit a budget surplus in 2020, until Brexit result.

The Labour party were in power until 2010, the banking crash as we all know was 2008. Running up our countries debts between 1997 till 2010 combined with the feckless lending of greedy bankers TOGETHER created the need for austerity policies.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Another who cannot see why we have had to have austerity policies. Blame Labour.

Ah yes, blame everyone BUT the Tories. Austerity was an ideological choice not a necessity. A choice that failed. But you know, keep blaming Labour and the EU if it makes you feel better.