[Politics] Brexit

[Berty23]

Brexit won't win Corbyn an election, it will be all the false promises they will make then realising there's not enough money in the pot to pay for it all

Well they will have 350 million a week more than now won't they

People seeing living standards fall will win him an election, infighting in Tory party will win him an election and Brexit is likely to be the catalyst for both. We are in a bizarre situation when a remainer is leading us out and the leader of the opposition is a leaver. It can't end well.

 

[The Rivet]

Well they will have 350 million a week more than now won't they

People seeing living standards fall will win him an election, infighting in Tory party will win him an election and Brexit is likely to be the catalyst for both. We are in a bizarre situation when a remainer is leading us out and the leader of the opposition is a leaver. It can't end well.

It is now seen as childish to refer to the £350m. That argument has been done to death.

Corbyn will perish in the failure pyre of ashes belonging to the Labour party. Win, for Labour, no. NO.

 

[pastafarian]

Re a general election overturning the vote. This will not happen. The leader of the opposition is the strongest brexiteer of them all and he will love all the Henry VIII powers he will have if he wins. The lack of scrutiny by parliament in the brace new world is EXACTLY what Corbyn wants. I am staggered that many right leaning leave/Tory voters have not realised the risk here.

If Brexit happens and it goes badly (as it seems to be) then the tories will lose the election and prime minister Corbyn will do whatever the hell he likes. Is that really what people want? I don't think many people have thought about the long game here.

"if" Brexit happens?
Has something happened?

 

[pastafarian]

No change from me regarding the benefits of General Elections over X-Factor referendums. Always preferred them. A fine British tradition. Totally with Margaret Thatcher on the gruesomeness of one-issue charades. And after a lifetime of almost always voting LibDem, to no effect whatsoever, I'm hardly likely to be counting on success there.

Still, as you always said that a soft Brexit is no Brexit at all, I can favour the possible crumb of comfort that a Labour victory might bring. But I'm hardly counting on that either.

Yes i agree chap, all your hopes of overturning the result and remaining in The EU have pretty much been dashed to pieces.
Come on .....cross over to our side and embrace the new future of our country with an open positive mind........you know it makes sense and you will feel much better in the long run. All this negativity cant be any good for your health.

 

[brighton fella]

Where have I ever said unemployment will rocket before we leave? I haven't because it is nonsense as nothing has materially changed yet. Yes sterling crashed but unemployment takes longer and people who thought it would be instantaneous are daft. My prediction is that it will go up reasonably quickly once we leave as we feel the pinch and that every single leaver will say "economic cycle" (which we are in now but you seem to pretend otherwise).

More like unemployment will go up because you so desperately want it to go up and for nothing else, Who can predict either way .

The decision has been made get over yourselves grow a pair and stop acting like a child who's just lost his dummy.

 

[rigton70]

If the result was the other way round then 50 pages top

But 3571 later.........................

 

[brighton fella]

If the result was the other way round then 50 pages top

But 3571 later.........................

Says it all really, hence their need to grow a pair. pathetic.

 

[Baldseagull]

Re a general election overturning the vote. This will not happen. The leader of the opposition is the strongest brexiteer of them all and he will love all the Henry VIII powers he will have if he wins. The lack of scrutiny by parliament in the brace new world is EXACTLY what Corbyn wants. I am staggered that many right leaning leave/Tory voters have not realised the risk here.

If Brexit happens and it goes badly (as it seems to be) then the tories will lose the election and prime minister Corbyn will do whatever the hell he likes. Is that really what people want? I don't think many people have thought about the long game here.

The executive powers in the repeal bill only last for two years from the date of leaving. This could mean that Labour have some time with the powers, but only if the leave date is delayed or there is another early election.

 

[Berty23]

More like unemployment will go up because you so desperately want it to go up and for nothing else, Who can predict either way .

The decision has been made get over yourselves grow a pair and stop acting like a child who's just lost his dummy.

Lol. Goodness me. It is because I don't want the economy to go to crap that i don't want to leave. Also it is worth noting that wishing something to happen does not mean it will. But sure, I will grow a pair and this will be fine.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

More like unemployment will go up because you so desperately want it to go up and for nothing else, Who can predict either way .

The decision has been made get over yourselves grow a pair and stop acting like a child who's just lost his dummy.

Ha ha. Funny how all the Brexiteers are getting rather tetchy nowadays. I wonder why?

 

[btnbelle]

Ha ha. Funny how all the Brexiteers are getting rather tetchy nowadays. I wonder why?

I voted for Brexit, i'm not worried at all.

 

[Hamilton]

Why brand Farage a liar when he is stating a fact. Your link is the one and only time that i have ever come to hear the British Bullshit Company mention this. Who's the liar ??.

Wasn't it the BBC along with their masters who have always maintained that Brexit spells doom.

Folk like you care nothing for this country and will prioritize hopes of Brexit becoming a failure foremost . Get over it.

You don't look very hard then...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40726833

And there are others.

But it is about balance, and there is more negative long-term signs than positive.

 

[BigGully]

I'm sorry I'm not quite following. Or are you suggesting the German cars, Prosecco, "easiest deal in the world", the EU need the U.K. more than the U.K. needs them was a load of bullshit?

Well the figures suggest that between two democratic trading entities they would indeed both benefit from a free trade deal and yes especially Germany might wish to protect its £30bn trade surplus with the UK, its a reasonable expectation.

The oddity is your position where on the one hand you seem to view the EU's £60bn worth of trade surplus with the UK as an irrelevance but seem to think its quite reasonable for the EU at the same time demand some undetermined multi billion pound settlement as something relevant and necessary.

I like your style to constantly add Prosecco next to Car manufacturers in an effort to belittle its worth, very good.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Re a general election overturning the vote. This will not happen. The leader of the opposition is the strongest brexiteer of them all and he will love all the Henry VIII powers he will have if he wins. The lack of scrutiny by parliament in the brace new world is EXACTLY what Corbyn wants. I am staggered that many right leaning leave/Tory voters have not realised the risk here.

If Brexit happens and it goes badly (as it seems to be) then the tories will lose the election and prime minister Corbyn will do whatever the hell he likes. Is that really what people want? I don't think many people have thought about the long game here.

As Baldseagull has pointed out the powers are temporary and fall after 2 years which is before the next scheduled GE.

The fear of a Corbyn government is an interesting point. What I find confusing is Remain voters who are apparently mainly motivated by economic concerns and instabilty (companies shifting work/business elsewhere) who are voting for Corbyn. It's pretty clear Labour are all over the place on Brexit policy, shifting positions to maximise parliamentary problems for the Tories rather than holding to a principled policy line. It's also obvious that a sudden lurch to the left with numerous interventionist policies plus the promised biggest tax hike since WW2 (much of it on business) ... plus increased powers for unions at the very moment we are leaving the EU is unlikely to help re stability and business confidence. Cognitive dissonance?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I like your style to constantly add Prosecco next to Car manufacturers in an effort to belittle its worth, very good.

Oh come on. Everyone knows how I view Prosecco and how I view anything connected, or even remotely linked, to Germany*

* the Queen excepted of course.

 

[ManOfSussex]

As Baldseagull has pointed out the powers are temporary and fall after 2 years which is before the next scheduled GE.

The fear of a Corbyn government is an interesting point. What I find confusing is Remain voters who are apparently mainly motivated by economic concerns and instabilty (companies shifting work/business elsewhere) who are voting for Corbyn. It's pretty clear Labour are all over the place on Brexit policy, shifting positions to maximise parliamentary problems for the Tories rather than holding to a principled policy line. It's also obvious that a sudden lurch to the left with numerous interventionist policies plus the promised biggest tax hike since WW2 (much of it on business) ... plus increased powers for unions at the very moment we are leaving the EU is unlikely to help re stability and business confidence. Cognitive dissonance?

Put simply JC, the fact Corbyn and Labour upsets Tory Brexiteers like you means they're alright by me and they're the only alternative to the vision of John Redwood we have at present that you so admire.

If Labour were to take power, and note I do say if, you can't predict the future and say it would be a bad thing before giving it a chance/respect the democratic will of the majority/get over it you've lost/it's taking back control etc.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Put simply JC, the fact Corbyn and Labour upsets Tory Brexiteers means they're alright by me and they're the only alternative to the vision of John Redwood we have at present that you so admire.

If Labour were to take power, and note I do say if, you can't predict the future and say it would be a bad thing before giving it a chance/respect the democratic will of the majority/get over it you've lost/it's taking back control etc.

Upsetting people you don't like is probably not the best criteria for choosing a government. The anyone but the Tories stance is also wearing a bit thin.

There is no precedent for Brexit whereas the Socialist experiment has been tried plenty of times. Not a great track record.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Upsetting people you don't like is probably not the best criteria for choosing a government. The anyone but the Tories stance is also wearing a bit thin.

There is no precedent for Brexit whereas the Socialist experiment has been tried plenty of times. Not a great track record.

Corbyn hysteria is wearing a bit thin too. I'm sure it works amongst Tories, but it's not other like-minded people like yourself who need convincing. Perhaps you're right though, but then better the devil you know surely? Why vote for a giant leap in the dark advocated by the likes of John Redwood and Neil Hamilton? It's a very contradictory position to take to say Labour, which is hardly as socialist as prior 'experiments', will be bad for the future when you've just voted for the great unknown in Brexit. Then Brexit is very contradictory and hypocritical by all sides, as well as unprecedented. The biggest fans of Thatcherism may just have killed it off with Brexit for example. Who knows? Anythings possible politically now.

Whatever happens though, the last 44 years were ripped up June of last year and we're now having a re-boot and lot of people have become galvanised and interested in politics again and the polls are neck-and-neck now. Perhaps you should get out and pound the streets of the poorer parts of the country when the next election comes yourself to convince floating voters to vote Tory? Wax jacket and welly boots or full-on Rees-Mogg attire might not be best though.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

As Baldseagull has pointed out the powers are temporary and fall after 2 years which is before the next scheduled GE.

The fear of a Corbyn government is an interesting point. What I find confusing is Remain voters who are apparently mainly motivated by economic concerns and instabilty (companies shifting work/business elsewhere) who are voting for Corbyn. It's pretty clear Labour are all over the place on Brexit policy, shifting positions to maximise parliamentary problems for the Tories rather than holding to a principled policy line. It's also obvious that a sudden lurch to the left with numerous interventionist policies plus the promised biggest tax hike since WW2 (much of it on business) ... plus increased powers for unions at the very moment we are leaving the EU is unlikely to help re stability and business confidence. Cognitive dissonance?

Can I just make it clear that This Remainer for one is not mainly motivated by economic issues (although they play a part) and I doubt I'm alone. I agree with few of Corbyn's policies but I would vote for his party if I lived in, say, Hove for reasons of sound principle.

 

[beorhthelm]

Can I just make it clear that This Remainer for one is not mainly motivated by economic issues (although they play a part) and I doubt I'm alone. I agree with few of Corbyn's policies but I would vote for his party if I lived in, say, Hove for reasons of sound principle.

Labour policy to respect the referendum and leave the EU, despite voting against the means to purse that policy. very principled.