[Politics] Brexit

[GT49er]

Gave up after the first paragraph. If anybody has followed anything like sheep it is the EU with Merkel not daring to question anything in case they upset the witch. Thank God we will be free of this.

Absolutely this. The reference to sheep is appropriate though - the whole article has the feeling of the last bleat of the prawn sandwich socialists railing against the injustice of losing a democratic election - or referendum, to be precise.
There is, however, an even more appropriate animal reference for this angst ridden article: hogwash!

 

[The Clamp]

Only just seen this... the bedwetters-in-chief were out in full force in the Grauniad/Observer this weekend:

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...50-jeopardises-60-years-of-unparalleled-peace

Absolutely brilliant article. Spot on. The scary thing is, everything written there is very likely to materialise. Also reinforces that leave voters did not have the first clue as to what their vote meant. Tragic.
Interesting to see how long leavers will attempt to put a positive spin on the monumental **** up that is so obvious to everyone else.

 

[daveinprague]

Brexiteers will blame the Remainers, and anyone else they can think of.

 

[The Clamp]

Brexiteers will blame the Remainers, and anyone else they can think of.

They're already lining that gem up.

"How do you expect Brexit to succeed when remainers are being so negative"?

Well leavers got themselves where they are all by themselves. They (thought they) wanted a referendum, they got one. They voted to leave, we are leaving. They wanted an ultra hard Brexit, that's what we are getting. At no point now has remain had any say whatsoever in proceedings. Whatever mess this turns into leavers, it is solely down to YOU. End of.

 

[Baldseagull]

Absolutely this. The reference to sheep is appropriate though - the whole article has the feeling of the last bleat of the prawn sandwich socialists railing against the injustice of losing a democratic election - or referendum, to be precise.
There is, however, an even more appropriate animal reference for this angst ridden article: hogwash!

Is it pure coincidence that the little sheep shaggers are Tory Blue?

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

The article is spot on in my view.

And mine too.

As one Victorian Prime minister once said. "Today they are ringing their bells. Tomorrow they will be wringing their hands."

 

[ManOfSussex]

I read this morning that Professor Steve Woolcock of The LSE, a trade deal expert, who is actually training Liam Fox's Department of International Trade on how to do their jobs, says there is a real risk of The UK concluding worthless, politically motivated trade deals just to try and show that Brexit is working, that Government ministers don't understand the complexities of Brexit and new deals agreed wont enable The UK to keep up with existing preferential trade agreements we have as an EU member.

I also read it's now being actively considered by The Government for The UK to stay under the remit of several EU agencies as we don't have the time or expertise to set up our own departments or bodies to cover these.

I thought we'd had enough of experts and we're getting our country back though?

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Only just seen this... the bedwetters-in-chief were out in full force in the Grauniad/Observer this weekend:

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...50-jeopardises-60-years-of-unparalleled-peace

Bedwetting? I think it's more a case for the Brexiters that the truth hurts, or maybe "There is none so blind as he who will not see."

 

[The Clamp]

You wait for this inevitable gem...

"The money we are saving by not being part of the EU? Where's it gone? Uhm, ah, yes, well.. what? The 350M? Yes, well... the schemes the EU funded in the poorest areas of Britain, are you not maintaining those legacies? Yes, well you see the EU made us pay our commitment so there's no money left for anything except our pay rises this year. Sorry. All the big bad EU's fault".

 

[portslade seagull]

All the usual suspects keeping the scaremongering going . Maybe you could all create a uni course to help fellow remainers who have issues with losing.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

All the usual suspects keeping the scaremongering going . Maybe you could all create a uni course to help fellow remainers who have issues with losing.

Is it scaremongering the £ has lost value?

 

[daveinprague]

All the usual suspects keeping the scaremongering going . Maybe you could all create a uni course to help fellow remainers who have issues with losing.

What scare mongering is that then? Rising inflation, and a weakening pound? I wont be so scared if there is a plan? What have you heard?

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I read this morning that Professor Steve Woolcock of The LSE, a trade deal expert, who is actually training Liam Fox's Department of International Trade on how to do their jobs, says there is a real risk of The UK concluding worthless, politically motivated trade deals just to try and show that Brexit is working, that Government ministers don't understand the complexities of Brexit and new deals agreed wont enable The UK to keep up with existing preferential trade agreements we have as an EU member.

I also read it's now being actively considered by The Government for The UK to stay under the remit of several EU agencies as we don't have the time or expertise to set up our own departments or bodies to cover these.

I thought we'd had enough of experts and we're getting our country back though?

This didn't help my breakfast go down either. There is a fatal tendency by Brexiters to regard any serious warnings, from any source, as 'bedwetting by remoaners'. It doesn't matter where the warning comes from. Last week we had a leading UKIP politician being accused on here of remoaning because he expressed a worry about market-access. This morning we will have Steve Woolcock (above) charged with something similar even though he is a Brexit department appointee in charge of trying to dig the government out of its hole.

Anyone who disagrees with the Brexit orthodoxy is cast as some sort of economic kaffir. Witness the BBC cowering under funding threats from Westminster for having the temerity to give coverage to the Disbelievers, threats so forceful that the corporation shied away from giving much coverage at all to last week's pro-EU demo (unlike Sky, who simply followed its news instincts). That wasn't the biggest story of the week but everything is now becoming a bit USSR.

 

[Baldseagull]

All the usual suspects keeping the scaremongering going . Maybe you could all create a uni course to help fellow remainers who have issues with losing.

I will accept that you may feel an element of doubt, given that the immediate ruination of our economy did not materialise, there is a little bit of the boy who cried wolf about the Brexit horrors. But what you have to remember is that there is actually a wolf in the story and it does eat the sheep in the end.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Out of interest what are the key items you're looking for in the forthcoming negotiations?

I see [MENTION=26105]Soulman[/MENTION] has now gone missing after I asked him this question

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

You wait for this inevitable gem...

"The money we are saving by not being part of the EU? Where's it gone? Uhm, ah, yes, well.. what? The 350M? Yes, well... the schemes the EU funded in the poorest areas of Britain, are you not maintaining those legacies? Yes, well you see the EU made us pay our commitment so there's no money left for anything except our pay rises this year. Sorry. All the big bad EU's fault".

I read somewhere the other day that Bill Cash, prominent and long-standing Eurosceptic, had said that he did not see that we should pay anything of what we allegedly owe to the EU because we let the Germans off all their debts after the second world war.

I don't know how we expects to be able to do that and at the same time negotiate the sort of trade deals that everybody seems to want. The man is deluded.

 

[daveinprague]

I see [MENTION=26105]Soulman[/MENTION] has now gone missing after I asked him this question

So did [MENTION=578]portslade seagull[/MENTION] after mine...



Mind you tbf, they are probably at work.

 

[studio150]

I see [MENTION=26105]Soulman[/MENTION] has now gone missing after I asked him this question

I think he is having a lie down after avoiding wuestions yesterday. How anyone doesn't understand whst ' spot on' means is beyond me.

I expect he will resurface later this week wirh flags and party poppers when the article 50 letter is delivered

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

All the usual suspects keeping the scaremongering going . Maybe you could all create a uni course to help fellow remainers who have issues with losing.

it has nothing at all to do with having issues about losing.

It has everything to do with facing reality and thinking that we are not actually doing the Brexit thing very well so far.
It's about having a Prime Minister who on the one hand is bleating about uniting the country while on the other hand is going down the most extreme Brexit road you could imagine in every respect.
It's about the people who are leading us in Brexit not seeming to have a clue about what they are doing.
It's about idiots who think we can be as rude as we like about Europe but at the same time expect Europe to fall over backwards to give us everything we want in the way of trade deals because "they need us as much as we need them."

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Only just seen this... the bedwetters-in-chief were out in full force in the Grauniad/Observer this weekend:

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...50-jeopardises-60-years-of-unparalleled-peace

Quite astonishing, you can almost smell the ammonia. Accept the referendum result ... hilarious.The only type of 'consensual' Brexit they would accept ... stay members of the internal market, stay in the customs union, stay under the jurisdiction of the ECJ, keep free movement etc. Undemocratic extremist loons.