[Politics] Brexit

[Herr Tubthumper]

Oh they will vote accordingly alright. Just like France will (tactically of course). The only doubt for me is Gerts Wilders effort in the Netherlands but then, they have limited seats and too many political parties. No deal done there then either. So the tatters that Schengen represents will be celebrated as if rising like a Phoenix. Sounds like a nightmare. Good luck with all that.

You don't have to wish me luck. If I don't like where I live, or get bored, I move; it's quite simple. Do you make a habit of hanging around in places you don't like?

 

[The Rivet]

You don't have to wish me luck. If I don't like where I live, or get bored, I move; it's quite simple. Do you make a habit of hanging around in places you don't like?

I'm not wishing you luck though am I? I just wish you pestilence and plague within your political dreams. Simple really.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

You don't have to wish me luck. If I don't like where I live, or get bored, I move; it's quite simple. Do you make a habit of hanging around in places you don't like?

some people don't have a choice you snob
regards
DR

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I'm not wishing you luck though am I?

"good luck with all of that" kind of suggests you were?

Anyway. I'm done. Späters.

 

[The Rivet]

"good luck with all of that" kind of suggests you were?

Anyway. I'm done. Späters.

Who'd have thought the great Herr Tubby not picking up on sarcasm from a leaver!

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

some people don't have a choice you snob
regards
DR

Come on, moving isn't difficult is it? We've all one it.

 

[GT49er]

So 44 years of being worse off before leavers admit getting our country back wasn't financially worthwhile.

No, but I expect there's a few desperate Remoaners who'll last the course!

 

[nicko31]

some people don't have a choice you snob
regards
DR

We can currently live in one of 28 countries, not for much longer though due to the close mindedness of some

 

[Soulman]

We can currently live in one of 28 countries, not for much longer though due to the close mindedness of some

Be quick then, escape whilst you can.

 

[GT49er]

Come on, moving isn't difficult is it? We've all one it.

Actually, that very much depends on your circumstances. It can be very difficult indeed, for many and varied reasons.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

We can currently live in one of 28 countries, not for much longer though due to the close mindoedness of some

thats not something i would lose sleep over , i see it as 28 countries that need to prove that their citizens need to be in this country
regards
DR

 

[pastafarian]

Jingoistic, meaningless sentiment like this is the exact reason we shouldn't hold referendums. They are the reserve of fascists and dictators and they have no place in a modern Britain.

Millions of Scots were disenfranchised, leading to one of the most undemocratic referendums in history.

In March 1975 Margaret Thatcher described referendum as “a device of dictators and demagogues”. Thatcher was quoting Clement Attlee who noticed that Hitler, Mussolini and Napoleon III used referendum to legitimise decisions they had made. If we just look at referendum before Wordl War II we can see how Mussolini and Hitler used them to their advantage.

March 1929 – Italy approves single-party list for Mussolini’s National Fascist Party in referendum.
July 1933 – Hitler grants himself the power to hold referendums.
November 1933 – Germans vote to leave the League of Nations in referendum.
March 1934 – Italians confirm approval of single-party list for Mussolini’s National Fascist Party in referendum.
August 1934 – Germans approve combining posts of Chancellor & President in referendum.
March 1936 – Germany approve single-party rule & occupation of Rhineland in referendum.
April 1938 – Germans approve single list of Nazi candidates for Reichstag & Anschluss with Austria in referendum.
More recently in 2014 Russia used a referendum to legitimise the annexation of Crimea

Listing a number of rigged referendums from fascist dictators, where voters are intimidated, forced to put an x in a certain box, where votes are not counted or “lost”,where some voters are refused the right to vote entirely and objections are dealt with by a beating are examples from someone desperately scraping the barrel when trying to compare past referendums and ours and why we shouldn’t have them.
Limiting your examples to nearly all from dictators whilst avoiding the hundreds and hundreds of other legitimate referendums you could have used as well for a bit of balance would have made Goebbels chuffed to bits.
Are you going to list Sadaam`s presidential referendums next as examples of why we shouldn’t have had a referendum?

 

[Lincoln Imp]

We can currently live in one of 28 countries, not for much longer though due to the close mindedness of some

Interesting that the amiable and amusing Anglophile that is Guy Verhofstadt continues to float the idea of EU citizenship being available to Britons after the Brexit boys have had their way. Many a twist and turn to come we can assume.

 

[pastafarian]

We can currently live in one of 28 countries, not for much longer though due to the close mindedness of some

Don’t know who told you this but you can currently go and live in far more than 28 countries, you might have to knock on the front door of those that have them and politely ask permission to come in but that’s only fair and very common anyway.

 

[brighton fella]

In March 1975 Margaret Thatcher described referendum as “a device of dictators and demagogues”. Thatcher was quoting Clement Attlee who noticed that Hitler, Mussolini and Napoleon III used referendum to legitimise decisions they had made. If we just look at referendum before Wordl War II we can see how Mussolini and Hitler used them to their advantage.

March 1929 – Italy approves single-party list for Mussolini’s National Fascist Party in referendum.
July 1933 – Hitler grants himself the power to hold referendums.
November 1933 – Germans vote to leave the League of Nations in referendum.
March 1934 – Italians confirm approval of single-party list for Mussolini’s National Fascist Party in referendum.
August 1934 – Germans approve combining posts of Chancellor & President in referendum.
March 1936 – Germany approve single-party rule & occupation of Rhineland in referendum.
April 1938 – Germans approve single list of Nazi candidates for Reichstag & Anschluss with Austria in referendum.
More recently in 2014 Russia used a referendum to legitimise the annexation of Crimea

Nice list of dictators, so in keeping with 21st century Britain. .

 

[Baldseagull]

As I understand it this case shares a number of factors with a number of other other cases........in short the perpetrator was a male refugee with mental health problems.

Now, I don't know about you, but given the precedence of these attacks in recent times, if I was German I would be seeking reassurance from the German Govt on who it was letting into the country.

I suppose it's like living in a house with no front door........if someone lived that way and then they had their stuff stolen people wouldn't be that sympathetic.......they would shrug their shoulders and say, what did you expect if you didn't have a door?

If two or more crimes bear similarity, it does not mean they are connected.
And in what way would leaving the EU prevent an asylum seeker committing crimes?

 

[GT49er]

And in what way would leaving the EU prevent an asylum seeker committing crimes?

I think you'll find that the point is that they will have to seek asylum as opposed to just wandering in if they feel like it. Not that the vetting process will be foolproof, of course, but better than none at all.

 

[Baldseagull]

I think you'll find that the point is that they will have to seek asylum as opposed to just wandering in if they feel like it. Not that the vetting process will be foolproof, of course, but better than none at all.

I don't know what you think is happening at the moment.

 

[pastafarian]

Interesting that the amiable and amusing Anglophile that is Guy Verhofstadt continues to float the idea of EU citizenship being available to Britons after the Brexit boys have had their way. Many a twist and turn to come we can assume.

Considering he wants this arrangement to be reciprocal and work in the other direction as well I cant see how this is practical or achievable when we are ending free movement,can you?
If he wants to make this a one way arrangement (which he isn’t suggesting) he will have great difficulty persuading his EU chums in giving something away for nothing in return, a one way deal would certainly please those remainers who wish to be European though, and everyone loves a free lunch.

 

[pastafarian]

And in what way would leaving the EU prevent an asylum seeker committing crimes?

Has anyone said leaving the EU would prevent asylum seekers committing crimes?