Neither party should have promised a referendum - that's not how decisions are made in a parliamentary democracy, and that campaign showed exactly why not. Lies and mistruths on both sides, it was a farce. What's more, nobody really knows what Brexit they were voting for. And then there is the glossed over issue where an ill-informed snap-shot of the electorate gets to make decisions that will affect the country for half a century. That just doesn't seem right, especially where there is such an even split among the popular vote.
[Politics] Brexit
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Neither party should have promised a referendum - that's not how decisions are made in a parliamentary democracy, and that campaign showed exactly why not. Lies and mistruths on both sides, it was a farce. What's more, nobody really knows what Brexit they were voting for. And then there is the glossed over issue where an ill-informed snap-shot of the electorate gets to make decisions that will affect the country for half a century. That just doesn't seem right, especially where there is such an even split among the popular vote.
I dont think I ever said that and I am not sure what you are talking about.
larus
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Ok tw*t. Go back to making tw*atish predictions which we can laugh at,
deletebeepbeepbeep
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- May 12, 2009
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I expect labour would be whipped on the basis of 'we do not think that this deal is good enough, try again.' rather than a fundamental vote against triggering A50.
Yes, that is exactly the role of an MP.
We vote them in, one, based on their parties stance and second as to what they say when they are out at election time. Thirdly, of course we don't have opinion polls on every subject, MPs get endless emails and letters from their constituents. This tells them what the people (who bother with politics) are asking of them.
What's wrong with banning Frenchmen? Parliament does not set government policy. So if the people want to shoot paedos' and cut income tax, MPs can't do it. But they can ask at question time during the relevant period in parliament, if they feel there is enough of a problem and demand within their constituency. ie: PMQs or minister questions.
But the deal will take YEARS to work out, they're not going to have time to keep making new deals.
Albumen
Don't wait for me!
Follows the trend of all news since the BREXIT vote. All surveys and stats have been much better than the "Experts" told us.
Hmm, what does that say about these "Experts"?
And we're still meant to believe their forecasts?
Better?? Crikey those rose tinted specs must be 8 inch thick.
bWize
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- Nov 6, 2007
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A democratic vote took place on whether we leave the EU. Leave won and the result should be respected. All of this "moving the goalposts" afterwards is laughable and if it had been the other way around the leavers would have been ridiculed for asking for second vote and changing the rules after the result.
Seems some believe in a democracy when it suits them.
Seems some believe in a democracy when it suits them.
Why was it a farce ? because the majority of those that voted have a different view than you, for many millions it was probably the most engaged and empowered voters have felt for generations, its the arrogance of people like you that now feel you have a genuine view to now renege on it, that caused a Brexit vote in the first instance.
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
On the surface, I sympathise with your sentiments. However I think the gravy train way of life is so entrenched in the EU, that this will never happen. If only someone could make a common market or something.
Albumen
Don't wait for me!
Interesting but I have no idea where you deduce that from. Today was a result for democracy, not blinkered leadership.
It was fun not being here for a while, I think I'll try it again.
It's not a result. And it's not anything to do with democracy. Apart from that... carry on.
I see no irony at all. Just a parliament that is massively in disagreement on the subject of the EU with the people they represent.
bWize
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- Nov 6, 2007
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Please explain how today was a day of democracy when a democratic vote decided we are to leave?
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
You want 'everyone to flatline into submission to the EU.'
That's pretty self explanatory.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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not quite, its called the Finance Bill and has to be passed every year for income tax to be legally collected. and the same goes for all primary legislation, the MPs have to vote on it, though most law contains within it clauses to allow the relevant minister the powers to amend or bring in secondary legislation, and its through such clauses they gain royal prerogative (as the original legislation is passed and given royal assent). didnt do this with the referendum act, it was sadly just a large, expensive opinion poll. a cynic might wonder if this was accident as they didn't think they lose, or deliberate in case they lost...
if MPs pass law to ban Frenchmen, we can ban them regardless of future governments policy on the matter, unless they seek to change the law (though they may chose to not enforce law as happens with so many old pieces). members can raise legislation too, though the government controls parliamentary time so few get through
Stato
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- Dec 21, 2011
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This is a fundamental misunderstanding of our democratic system. We have a representative democracy not a radical democracy. Edmund Burke and Tom Paine were arguing about the benefits of each two hundred years ago, but in our system a constituency elects a representative who is tasked with using their best judgement, not following the will of the majority.
Thunder Bolt
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pb21
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- Apr 23, 2010
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What's it to do with then?