[Politics] Brexit

[GT49er]

I missed that. When did they request we stop using the Union Jack or Cross of St George and replace it with the EU flag?

I'm not sure if the blame in this case can be laid at the door of the EU, but isn't the Cross of St. George something we're only allowed to use now if we're racist, homophobic, Daily Mail reading fascists?

 

[5ways]

Yes. And do you want to know why? A thousand continuous years as a sovereign nation. We've seen off Naziism, Communism, napaelonic empire building, we've even went back and gave the USA a good poke in the eye in 1812 by burning down the White House before we got bored of no one fighting us.

The EU is no different. One country (Germany) ruling through economic rather than military means. Huge youth unemployment, open protests from Athens to marseille a migrant crisis set to force some members to opt completely out of the no borders deal.

To top it off 60million Turks don't need a visa to enter the EU. I imagine that Brighton looks a lot more attractive than.istanbul. Especially in regards to jobs.

OUT we have nothing to fear.

All these ludicrous and unrelated historical case studies were won with the aid of European allies bar the war of 1812. The EU has problems, we know. It also has a lot of strengths and it is in our deepest interests to solve these problems rather than kick at the foundations of the global financial system and the manifestation of post-war European unity.

Looking forward to the broadside due to be delivered by the Treasury tomorrow.

 

[GT49er]

All these ludicrous and unrelated historical case studies were won with the aid of European allies bar the war of 1812. The EU has problems, we know. It also has a lot of strengths and it is in our deepest interests to solve these problems rather than kick at the foundations of the global financial system and the manifestation of post-war European unity.

Looking forward to the broadside due to be delivered by the Treasury tomorrow.

Yep, I'm sure they will oblige their lords and masters.

 

[drew]

Yes. And do you want to know why? A thousand continuous years as a sovereign nation. We've seen off Naziism, Communism, napaelonic empire building, we've even went back and gave the USA a good poke in the eye in 1812 by burning down the White House before we got bored of no one fighting us.

The EU is no different. One country (Germany) ruling through economic rather than military means. Huge youth unemployment, open protests from Athens to marseille a migrant crisis set to force some members to opt completely out of the no borders deal.

To top it off 60million Turks don't need a visa to enter the EU. I imagine that Brighton looks a lot more attractive than.istanbul. Especially in regards to jobs.

OUT we have nothing to fear.

I forgot about the little englander argument!!!!

 

[drew]

I'm not sure if the blame in this case can be laid at the door of the EU, but isn't the Cross of St. George something we're only allowed to use now if we're racist, homophobic, Daily Mail reading fascists?

I think your living 30 years ago!!!

Or at least the Daily Mail is. Perhaps they're living even further back in time with their Nazi loving owners!!!!!

 

[GT49er]

I think your living 30 years ago!!!

Or at least the Daily Mail is. Perhaps they're living even further back in time with their Nazi loving owners!!!!!

Oh, sorry your liberalship. It's OK to fly the flag of St. George without having to shave your head and drag your knuckles along the ground now, is it? Don't think so - enough people around to condemn it I think.

Your post really doesn't make any sense at all - do you really think you know what you're talking about? What exactly, was the Daily Mail saying about the Cross of St. George in 1986?

 

[gregbrighton]

At least we have had no major wars within the EU borders since 1945 How long would it be before Russia starts piling in again if thd EU broke up. It's a dreadful prospect...

 

[gregbrighton]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...lds-4300-worse-off-according-to-a6988786.html

£4300 is a lot that few families can afford to lose. 6% contraction of the economy would be a disaster for UK plc. Think about it. Is this the legacy we want for our kids and grand-kids??

The other terrible aspect is that the Tories would have to introduce a worse austerity programme. Deeper cuts for the poor, women and who's to say this Conservative government won't cut PENSIONS and all the freebies like the bus pass, TV licence and winter fuel payment. You can be sure the elderly will be next for the chop...just like the disabled, children and poorer families.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...lds-4300-worse-off-according-to-a6988786.html

£4300 is a lot that few families can afford to lose. 6% contraction of the economy would be a disaster for UK plc. Think about it. Is this the legacy we want for our kids and grand-kids??

The other terrible aspect is that the Tories would have to introduce a worse austerity programme. Deeper cuts for the poor, women and who's to say this Conservative government won't cut PENSIONS and all the freebies like the bus pass, TV licence and winter fuel payment. You can be sure the elderly will be next for the chop...just like the disabled, children and poorer families.

Yes and Peacehaven & Telscombe FC are going to win the Champions League, sorry but £4,300 is more scaremongering. It's by 2020 and not 2030 according to the radio. They can't even get this bit right. Why should I believe a single statement.

 

[beorhthelm]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...lds-4300-worse-off-according-to-a6988786.html

£4300 is a lot that few families can afford to lose. 6% contraction of the economy would be a disaster for UK plc. Think about it.

based on 13 years, thats £27 a month per household. you'll put in more to the EU in that time, but never mind. GDP contraction equates to about 0.1% a quarter. and this is the "mid" scenario, not the better option for us. the economy will still be bigger, households earn more, just a little less than if they stay in.

what a poor price on our self determination.

 

[Bladders]

At least someone is adding humour to this thread.

Thanks Gullible gregbrighton

Every time I read his posts I think of this.

 

[cunning fergus]

At least we have had no major wars within the EU borders since 1945 How long would it be before Russia starts piling in again if thd EU broke up. It's a dreadful prospect...

Current evidence would indicate that the Russians will pile in if the EU maintains its current course of expansionism.

The EU's dalliance with Ukraine is one example where it has woefully under estimated Russia's reaction to the EU aggressively pushing its circle of influence into their back yard. This ill conceived adventurism has contributed to the current military stand off between Ukraine and Russia, the ongoing misery for millions of Ukrainians and thousands of dead.

In the meantime the EU will continue poking Russia with a stick, and no doubt expect British taxpayers to bankroll their folly.

http://uatoday.tv/politics/e-u-to-g...e-for-support-of-local-governance-624951.html

Far from being the peacemakers they are as likely be the cause for conflict.

By the way, when did we ever get told Ukraine would be a member? The Dutch recently had a vote on it.........y'know how that went don't you?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Current evidence would indicate that the Russians will pile in if the EU maintains its current course of expansionism.

The EU's dalliance with Ukraine is one example where it has woefully under estimated Russia's reaction to the EU aggressively pushing its circle of influence into their back yard. This ill conceived adventurism has contributed to the current military stand off between Ukraine and Russia, the ongoing misery for millions of Ukrainians and thousands of dead.

In the meantime the EU will continue poking Russia with a stick, and no doubt expect British taxpayers to bankroll their folly.

http://uatoday.tv/politics/e-u-to-g...e-for-support-of-local-governance-624951.html

Far from being the peacemakers they are as likely be the cause for conflict.

By the way, when did we ever get told Ukraine would be a member? The Dutch recently had a vote on it.........y'know how that went don't you?

We don't talk about this part, it doesn't look good when we are trying to Remain in the EU. It makes me angry how money from the EU seems to be used to control some aspects of the media, for example I would think an organisation like the BBC would have mentioned the Dutch vote on the main news, but I didn't see any coverage of it. I pay the licence fee so I would expect them to cover all news.

On the subject of this TTIP, does that mean the US is going to open it borders, free movement of people from the EU

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

comical stuff coming from the remain lot.

on the one hand the inners will tell you The EU is a democratic entity and to claim otherwise is silly
in the same breath the inners will tell you the EU needs reform and needs to be more democratic and the only way to do this is remain and work from within

make your mind up fellas,

A neat twist of words

 

[drew]

Oh, sorry your liberalship. It's OK to fly the flag of St. George without having to shave your head and drag your knuckles along the ground now, is it? Don't think so - enough people around to condemn it I think.

Your post really doesn't make any sense at all - do you really think you know what you're talking about? What exactly, was the Daily Mail saying about the Cross of St. George in 1986?

Maybe you should make your own mind up rather than rely on the Mail. I see no problem with the Cross of St George and if people have one it is no different than if they have the Union Jack flying. Back in the 70s and 80s the Cross of St George at a football match was probably indicative of an affiliation to something like the National Front or similar groups. Since the mid 90s, probably largely helped by Euro 96, there is nothing wrong to be seen with a Cross St George at fooball.

 

[drew]

based on 13 years, thats £27 a month per household. you'll put in more to the EU in that time, but never mind. GDP contraction equates to about 0.1% a quarter. and this is the "mid" scenario, not the better option for us. the economy will still be bigger, households earn more, just a little less than if they stay in.

what a poor price on our self determination.

Isn't it reported as the equivalent of an average of £4,300 per household per year?

 

[drew]

We don't talk about this part, it doesn't look good when we are trying to Remain in the EU. It makes me angry how money from the EU seems to be used to control some aspects of the media, for example I would think an organisation like the BBC would have mentioned the Dutch vote on the main news, but I didn't see any coverage of it. I pay the licence fee so I would expect them to cover all news.

On the subject of this TTIP, does that mean the US is going to open it borders, free movement of people from the EU

Where is your evidence that money from the EU is manipulating the media?

As for the Beeb, do you really expect them to comment on every other countries internal referendums/votes in the limited time they have to broadcast?

It was reported online

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...pYkLCf9mlRX-DYc_6fae8A&bvm=bv.119745492,d.d24

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...DDDtU19movJkpdfWjRWl-Q&bvm=bv.119745492,d.d24


According to the Guardian, the turnout was barely enough to make it legitimate and it wasn't a binding referendum anyway,

 

[JC Footy Genius]

At least someone is adding humour to this thread.

Thanks Gullible gregbrighton

Every time I read his posts I think of this.

It's just a bit of attention seeking (Eurotroll?). Apparently he had a road to Damascus/Brussels conversion from out to in after Jezza made his speech. All his new doom laden drive by posts parroting the scare stories of the inners campaign didn't bother him a week ago but now they are all true! Comedy gold.

 

[Triggaaar]

The EU has problems, we know. It also has a lot of strengths and it is in our deepest interests to solve these problems

By continuing as we are there is no change of reforming the EU, we'll just march on towards federalisation. There's more chance of the EU being reformed if we vote to leave, it's the only way to stop the US of E.

 

[gregbrighton]

Maybe you should make your own mind up rather than rely on the Mail. I see no problem with the Cross of St George and if people have one it is no different than if they have the Union Jack flying. Back in the 70s and 80s the Cross of St George at a football match was probably indicative of an affiliation to something like the National Front or similar groups. Since the mid 90s, probably largely helped by Euro 96, there is nothing wrong to be seen with a Cross St George at fooball.

Exactly. The Outers need to stop believing the crap written in the Daily Mail and the Express.