[Politics] Brexit

[BrightonCottager]

I occasionally bought wine from Portugal. They've stopped selling to the UK because of extra faff and charges. The fishmonger I buy from told me one of his EU suppliers has dropped the UK because of extra costs of form filling and delays at borders.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Ireland was given a huge amount of cash from the EU and allowed to start again, cannot see Scotland anytime soon getting anything like that as the EU haven't got a euro to rub together and just lost 10% of it's contributions.

Last time independence was voted on the whole basis of the Scot's economy was oil with an oil price that was never likely to be achieved furthermore it in fact collapsed to a 1/4 of the price they had predicted.

I think Scotland would be a very investable nation for the reasons I gave in my previous post, and this would be private investment. But, I also think it would be a very wise strategic investment for the EU so maybe the EU will want to loan them money?

I doubt many people have as much money as they did pre-Covid but I’m not aware the EU is significantly disadvantaged (relatively) compared to say the U.K. in fact there’s been many reports saying the U.K. economy has been the worst performing of the G7 and below the Eurozone. https://www.ft.com/content/c8b172e2-8f70-4118-9e81-423e9a4b6839

I can’t say I’m bothered either way if Scotland or Ireland stay in the U.K. but I think there’s a compelling financial argument that they can go their own way.

 

[Chicken Run]

Reading some of these responses. if I were the SNP, then like the manager of a team that has been slagged off by their opponents. I'd print these off and pin them up on the wall of the dressing room.

What would be an example of a comment you would pin on the wall, and assuming there are some “jocks can go do one” apart from those, I’d be interested to know?


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[WATFORD zero]

Your link is a fascinating read for the Fourth Reichers I’m sure.
It says Ireland has been a member of the EU since 1973...I most probably am mistaken, I’m sure the EU did not exist until 1993 ?
Anyhow, I’m sure you’re all going to be very happy together, forward Mein Europa eh .

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He did indeed (together with his associates). Unfortunately, as is now becoming apparent on an hourly basis, not such a great win for people like yourself. He did try to give you a fairly obvious clue in the name UKIPpers, you were just too stupid to spot it.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Your link is a fascinating read for the Fourth Reichers I’m sure.
It says Ireland has been a member of the EU since 1973...I most probably am mistaken, I’m sure the EU did not exist until 1993 ?
Anyhow, I’m sure you’re all going to be very happy together, forward Mein Europa eh .

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The link is from the EU....what would they know eh?

Try reading it again.....this time slowly. I’m on hand if you want to ask me what any of the longer words mean.

 

[portlock seagull]

Couldn’t give a shit about Europe. Uk. Scotland. Nor England really. The only people I do are F&F. They’re made up of loads nationalities. Everything else is politics which is actually a load of complete b ollocks too (tech term that). I / you have no influence over any of it really. We can’t even get my parish council to paint yellow lines on our corners (5 years they’ve been looking into, FIVE years!). Politics is a complete waste of time. Don’t get involved in. You waste valuable time in your life . And your life is running out. So enjoy what you can and try giving anyone and anything to do with politics a very wide berth. It’s all self serving which ever way you vote.

 

[stewart_weir]

I think Scotland would be a very investable nation for the reasons I gave in my previous post, and this would be private investment. But, I also think it would be a very wise strategic investment for the EU so maybe the EU will want to loan them money?

I doubt many people have as much money as they did pre-Covid but I’m not aware the EU is significantly disadvantaged (relatively) compared to say the U.K. in fact there’s been many reports saying the U.K. economy has been the worst performing of the G7 and below the Eurozone. https://www.ft.com/content/c8b172e2-8f70-4118-9e81-423e9a4b6839

The EU economy is 550M people vs the UK at 70M. The UK was the 5th largest economy in the world when in the EU and I expect post Brexit we will slide down to at least 10th. The rabid brexiteers logic of having a no deal in order to do trade deals with other regions is insane. The UK isnt even an industrialised nation any more and we import more goods than we can make for ourselves and we cannot even feed ourselves (we import 30% of our food from the EU). Scotland will do fine as part of the EU as will NI integrating back into Eire.

 

[Lower West Stander]

Just to put the respective GDP's of the UK in perspective.
England.....2.83 Trillion
Scotland....170 Billion
Wales..........73 Billion
NI................27 Billion
The ten smallest countries in the EU ( Malta, Cyprus, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Luxembourg ) have a combined GDP of 425 Billion and contribute 2.6% to the EU economy. The three home nations would contribute 270 Billion, which would represent 1.6% of the EU economy.
They would also have to satisfy EU demands on trade deficit size ( up to 3% permitted )

And therein lies the big problem. Scotland does not have a viable economy as a standalone country. So what they’ll do is ask for loads of money from England and just blame the Government when they don’t get what they want. It’s a constant Get Out Of Jail Free card for the SNP - and something they constantly use to defend themselves when something goes wrong.

Problem is that if the Jocks vote in favour they lose far more negotiating power than they gain. Independence, like Brexit is a an emotive vote over nationalism more than anything else. The Government will have no motivation to agree to anything they don’t want given the tiny amount of GDP Scotland contributes. It also makes Labours job a lot harder to gain a majority as they definitely need those Scottish seats.

I reckon Boris is biding his time on this. Jimmy Krankie will make a lot of noise but she can’t do anything yet.


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[darkwolf666]

I agree with a lot of that. But 'we' have found we are more successful, safer, healthier, 'richer' when we club together on a large scale. Yes, I accept there is a point where large becomes inefficient, and I suspect the EU is close to that point. However there is a sweet spot. It isn't where everything is run locally.....

The Faversham grid, run by the wind farm on the marsh. We have electricity sometimes 4 hours in a single day!
The Faversham fish shop. Unfortunately no fish now the creek is polluted with the excrement of the good people of Faversham after we lost the skills and spare parts needed keep the sewage plant running.
The Faversham brick works. This was reinstituted after independence, but we don't know how to maintain it. In any case, since war was declared with Sittingbourne (hi [MENTION=33649]darkwolf666[/MENTION]) it has been too dangerous to venture too far from town.
Malaria is back; but after all the original town name was Feversham for a reason.
But my days are full; forraging, mending my threadbare clothes, praying (yes, god is back) for deliverance.
And 3 of my 8 children are still alive! Small mercies.

You can get too local. Big infrastructure can be exploited by the psychopaths (Hi Donald) but even back in the days of the village there was a bully, an idiot, a drunk, etc. I realised we were on a sticky wicket when the 'Health and Safety' industry invented itself in the late 1980s. But eventually, if a significant number of people start thinking like you and retreating into their very specific world, largely alone, every nation will have a minister for 'not ****ing about' to get things moving again.

In the meatime, I'm sure my son can wait a few weeks till stocks of Playstation 5 are replenished, and the missus will have to keep a better eye on the sell by date of her Peruvian raspberries after the last debacle. And hostilities with Sittingbourne will remain at the single raised eyebrow level.

Oi, leave Sittingbourne out of it, you posh polluting twit... I’ll have you know the creek near Asda has never smelled sweeter...!*




* ok, I lied, it smells of shit...

 

[portlock seagull]

The EU economy is 550M people vs the UK at 70M. The UK was the 5th largest economy in the world when in the EU and I expect post Brexit we will slide down to at least 10th. The rabid brexiteers logic of having a no deal in order to do trade deals with other regions is insane. The UK isnt even an industrialised nation any more and we import more goods than we can make for ourselves and we cannot even feed ourselves (we import 30% of our food from the EU). Scotland will do fine as part of the EU as will NI integrating back into Eire.

Can’t even feed ourselves? This has been the case for centuries. It’s nothing new. We are a trading country along with every other. It’s such a ridiculous point the old food one. Not having a dog at you. It just is. We’ve never been self sufficient in food, nor has any other. Being in the Eu or out makes no difference to sufficiency.

 

[Baker lite]

The link is from the EU....what would they know eh?

Try reading it again.....this time slowly. I’m on hand if you want to ask me what any of the longer words mean.

Well they obviously don’t know that they did not exist until 1993. Even I knew that.. a simpleton like me.. Let’s get this straight, the EU existed in 1973? Is that right?.

 

[stewart_weir]

And therein lies the big problem. Scotland does not have a viable economy as a standalone country. So what they’ll do is ask for loads of money from England and just blame the Government when they don’t get what they want. It’s a constant Get Out Of Jail Free card for the SNP - and something they constantly use to defend themselves when something goes wrong.

Problem is that if the Jocks vote in favour they lose far more negotiating power than they gain. Independence, like Brexit is a an emotive vote over nationalism more than anything else. The Government will have no motivation to agree to anything they don’t want given the tiny amount of GDP Scotland contributes. It also makes Labours job a lot harder to gain a majority as they definitely need those Scottish seats.

I reckon Boris is biding his time on this. Jimmy Krankie will make a lot of noise but she can’t do anything yet.


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Now can you do a statistical breakdown of costs involved with running the Scottish population of 5.45M (2019) vs the England population 55.98M (2018). Its so easy for some people to throw out statistics but not back up when in matters.

 

[Lower West Stander]

Always inevitable that leaving the EU would create firm foundations for Scotland and potentially N Ireland to break away. History says that both Scotland and especially N Ireland has no reason to be part of the UK. Certainly NI historically was never 'British'. Good luck to them both I say.

Where did you get that from?

NI has always been part of the UK and has always been British. The religious divide was created by Protestants settling from the mainland. That’s why Catholics are in a minority in the province.

What an odd comment....


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[PILTDOWN MAN]

I think Scotland would be a very investable nation for the reasons I gave in my previous post, and this would be private investment. But, I also think it would be a very wise strategic investment for the EU so maybe the EU will want to loan them money?

I doubt many people have as much money as they did pre-Covid but I’m not aware the EU is significantly disadvantaged (relatively) compared to say the U.K. in fact there’s been many reports saying the U.K. economy has been the worst performing of the G7 and below the Eurozone. https://www.ft.com/content/c8b172e2-8f70-4118-9e81-423e9a4b6839

I can’t say I’m bothered either way if Scotland or Ireland stay in the U.K. but I think there’s a compelling financial argument that they can go their own way.

The UK economy has been predicted to pull away from France in a big way also it has taken 5th place again despite a recession. I was never in favour of the EU but saying that didn't want to leave once in it.

Scotland though will not gain EU status quickly. They would be in a very poor state financially as an independent economy. Have to say I'd not be bothered if they decide to go. At least we would not have to hear about their crap football all the time.

 

[Lower West Stander]

Now can you do a statistical breakdown of costs involved with running the Scottish population of 5.45M (2019) vs the England population 55.98M (2018). Its so easy for some people to throw out statistics but not back up when in matters.

You understand GDP?

I’m an economist btw....


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[stewart_weir]

You understand GDP?

I’m an economist btw....


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If England.....2.83 Trillion and Scotland produces 170 Billion what is the GDP per head value? My point is that the England population is significantly higher than Scotland and so whilst Scotland only produces 170B it needs far less than England. Im curious

 

[Chicken Run]

You understand GDP?

I’m an economist btw....


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Are you an independent economist, Civil servant or do you work in education?


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[Doonhamer7]

Scottish Independence is still largely decided upon by the Catholic v Protestant divide - Sad I know but still largely true

Wtf- how naive and ignorant can you get only 16% of Scots are catholic - so where does this ‘true’ fact come from

 

[Baker lite]

The EU economy is 550M people vs the UK at 70M. The UK was the 5th largest economy in the world when in the EU and I expect post Brexit we will slide down to at least 10th. The rabid brexiteers logic of having a no deal in order to do trade deals with other regions is insane. The UK isnt even an industrialised nation any more and we import more goods than we can make for ourselves and we cannot even feed ourselves (we import 30% of our food from the EU). Scotland will do fine as part of the EU as will NI integrating back into Eire.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...orld-again-after-leapfrogging-india-wccxxxcqr

 

[Machiavelli]

Where did you get that from?

NI has always been part of the UK and has always been British. The religious divide was created by Protestants settling from the mainland. That’s why Catholics are in a minority in the province.

What an odd comment....


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First part correct, second part incorrect.
To assist with the second part, answer this question: what is the UK?