[Politics] Brexit

[Pretty pink fairy]

I'm off out for a few hours

(Just in case anyone is going to quote/mention/pm me and then get upset when I don't answer )

Dont get lost
regards
DR

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Any news on unemployment with other EU members Mikey ?
Regards
DR

What do you think that would tell you?

You do realise that the uncertainty caused by the self-inflicted UK situation, affects our EU trading partners as well as ourselves?

 

[theonlymikey]

Any news on unemployment with other EU members Mikey ?
Regards
DR

Deflecting as per

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[Pretty pink fairy]

What do you think that would tell you?

You do realise that the uncertainty caused by the self-inflicted UK situation, affects our EU trading partners as well as ourselves?

Of course i do but all I see on here is UK doom and gloom merchants , we need some balance to the Grizzling , what do you reckon ?
Regards
DR

 

[Thunder Bolt]

A legal challenge to prevent Johnson prorouging Parliament was heard today and the hearing will be on September 6th.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brex...op-johnson-forcing-no-deal/ar-AAFJLhc?ocid=sf

 

[Baldseagull]

The EU has 3 dominant countries, UK, France and Germany.Why is it that Leavers think we can't have any influence in the EU, because the French and the Germans are too powerful, but we are going to be getting the deals we want dealing with the US, China and India?

 

[melias shoes]

I'm off out for a few hours

(Just in case anyone is going to quote/mention/pm me and then get upset when I don't answer )

Which is exactly what you do.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Of course i do but all I see on here is UK doom and gloom merchants , we need some balance to the Grizzling , what do you reckon ?
Regards
DR

I reckon, that you've missed the point.

You countered the news of major UK job losses, by asking what the figures were in other EU countries. As if to suggest that if they were faring badly too, it was not as a result of Brexit.

My point is that this utter goat**** has damaged all of the economies of the trading bloc, and that similar shit employment figures on the continent are, in small part, BECAUSE of the UK actions, rather than evidence that you were right to want out.

 

[A1X]

The EU has 3 dominant countries, UK, France and Germany.Why is it that Leavers think we can't have any influence in the EU, because the French and the Germans are too powerful, but we are going to be getting the deals we want dealing with the US, China and India?

British exceptionalism. Still thinking we rule the waves.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Of course i do but all I see on here is UK doom and gloom merchants , we need some balance to the Grizzling , what do you reckon ?
Regards
DR

On a day when it was announced that ...

Wage growth in the UK reached an 11-year high in the year to June, and the employment rate was its joint highest since 1971, official figures show.

Wage growth rose to 3.9%, while the estimated 76.1% employment rate was the best since comparative records began.

Overall, a record high of 32.81 million people were in employment, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said.

This was 425,000 more than a year earlier and was largely because of more people working full-time.

It was inevitable that the #teameu Gloomsters were only ever going to mention ...

However, the unemployment rate in the April to June period showed a slight rise.

Just like when the economy shrank 0.2 last quarter was big news but the previous quarters much better than expected 0.5 growth was dismissed or not worth a mention. Or just like when a US trade bod from a past Democrat administration gave his opinion that we will get fleeced in a trade deal is significant while the positive views of the current US government are dismissed. Same old same old.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Which is exactly what you do.

Be gentle with him, he's still reeling from the news that Germany/France are a dominant force within the EU.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

A legal challenge to prevent Johnson prorouging Parliament was heard today and the hearing will be on September 6th.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brex...op-johnson-forcing-no-deal/ar-AAFJLhc?ocid=sf

However weirdly in that I am genuinely surprised:

https://metro.co.uk/2019/08/12/peop...ment-push-no-deal-brexit-poll-shows-10560183/

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Be gentle with him, he's still reeling from the news that Germany/France are a dominant force within the EU.

No, no, no - I won't have that - he believed someone said that France and Germany have overidden all the other members. I can only assume he has a special friend a bit like the one in Drop Dead Fred !

 

[ManOfSussex]

The EU has 3 dominant countries, UK, France and Germany.Why is it that Leavers think we can't have any influence in the EU, because the French and the Germans are too powerful, but we are going to be getting the deals we want dealing with the US, China and India?

British exceptionalism. Still thinking we rule the waves.

Also the Franco-German dominance line plays on the occupation/oppression conspiracy theory narrative of The EU, particularly important in the case of the latter when World War 2 nostalgia and reference is still commonplace among some leavers.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

However weirdly in that I am genuinely surprised:

https://metro.co.uk/2019/08/12/peop...ment-push-no-deal-brexit-poll-shows-10560183/

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/othe...2-80-93-but-it-doesnt-quite-add-up/ar-AAFKkQX

A poll suggesting that the majority of Britons support suspending Parliament in order to force through a no-deal Brexit has been criticised for being misleading.

But Will Jennings, a politics professor at the University of Southampton, argued that the "utterly dire" questions in the survey could be considered highly leading.

The survey question was: "Do you agree or disagree with the following statements? Boris needs to deliver Brexit by any means, including suspending parliament if necessary, in order to prevent MPs from stopping it."

Prof Jennings noted that, not only does the survey informally - and somewhat strangely - refer to the Prime Minister simply as "Boris", but it does not note that some MP want to extend Article 50 rather than to block Brexit altogether.

Why is this dire? Aside from excluding "don't knows" and then misleadingly reporting as a percentage of 'the British public' ��, there is *way too much* going on in the survey question and it is leading as well ��https://t.co/bcxVyt5u8s

— Will Jennings (@drjennings) August 12, 2019
The suggestion that more than half of those asked believe the statement is correct is also misleading as the newspaper appears to have ignored almost 20 per cent who answered "don't know" to the question, and simply used the yes and no responses to create its results instead.

The ComRes poll actually showed that 44 per cent of respondents said they agreed with the statement, with 37 per cent saying they were against it and 19 per cent saying they don't know.



— Mike Smithson (@MSmithsonPB) August 12, 2019
Liberal Democrat blogger Mark Pack wrote a complaint to newspaper regulator Ipso claiming The Telegraph has manipulated the stats of the ComRes survey in the story published on its front page.

 

[Eeyore]

However weirdly in that I am genuinely surprised:

'The shock survey found 54% of people agree that the Prime Minister'

Lie- the figure was 44%

Poll question was: 'Boris needs to deliver Brexit by any means, including suspending parliament if necessary, in order to prevent MPs from stopping it'

The question makes reference to MPs trying to stop BREXIT and not MPs trying to prevent 'no deal'. It is skewed in such away as to get full support from 'leavers' in the belief that by not halting parliament BREXIT will collapse.

Also-why is Johnson referred to as 'Boris' ?

So we have another example of why no newspaper, on either side, can be trusted to deliver a fair and accurate analysis.

Interestingly, a more accurately constructed poll in June maintained that there were 2-1 against a 'no deal' BREXIT. Not against BREXIT itself, just 'no deal'.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Be gentle with him, he's still reeling from the news that Germany/France are a dominant force within the EU.

The UK has 73 MEPs out of 750. That is almost a tenth of all the MEPs in the EU Parliament, made up of MEPs from 28 different countries. Only fools think the UK isn't a dominant force within the EU.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Be gentle with him, he's still reeling from the news that Germany/France are a dominant force within the EU.

They are a dominant force now ? What a bit like Britain, Italy, Spain, Poland and the Netherlands are all dominant forces within the EU ?

I thought yesterday someone said that they had an alliance that dominated the EU's future direction, prioritising an even closer union and their interests over other members ?

'More of the same' as in no idea what the future direction of the EU will take but certain it will be dominated by the Franco-German alliance prioritising the Eurozone and ever closer union over the interests of any second-tier members (see the UK).

You forgot to point out that the rest of the EU collectively, and lots of members individually have the power to stop any of this happening at any time. Even your buddy [MENTION=1365]Westdene Seagull[/MENTION] had already pointed out Britain's veto on any closer union. The only problem is that he trusts the British government less than the EU

I agree, as things stand, any changes would have to go to referendum but this act can be revoked by any government - lets say, heaven forbid, the Lib Dems managed to form a government in their own right ( unlikely I know ! ) - I wouldn't trust them not to revoke it. Equally, lets say one of these referendums was held - how can we trust a government to abide by it ?

Maybe you could just have a chat between you and agree what it is about Brexit you don't like before you start contradicting one another on here.

Or maybe just carry on ignoring any facts that get in the way of your 'Franco-German alliance taking over the EU' fantasy. (I'll file it alongside your 'the EU should take out the backstop' negotiated solution fantasy)


P.S.

No, no, no - I won't have that - he believed someone said that France and Germany have overidden all the other members. I can only assume he has a special friend a bit like the one in Drop Dead Fred !

Don't understand that at all, I'm assuming it's some sort of insult, but I'll see if my kids can explain it to me when they are next in

 

[pb21]

The EU has 3 dominant countries, UK, France and Germany.Why is it that Leavers think we can't have any influence in the EU, because the French and the Germans are too powerful, but we are going to be getting the deals we want dealing with the US, China and India?

Very true.

However, once we go 'no deal' we will hold all the aces and be able to DEMAND preferential future trade deals.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/othe...2-80-93-but-it-doesnt-quite-add-up/ar-AAFKkQX

A poll suggesting that the majority of Britons support suspending Parliament in order to force through a no-deal Brexit has been criticised for being misleading.

But Will Jennings, a politics professor at the University of Southampton, argued that the "utterly dire" questions in the survey could be considered highly leading.

The survey question was: "Do you agree or disagree with the following statements? Boris needs to deliver Brexit by any means, including suspending parliament if necessary, in order to prevent MPs from stopping it."

Prof Jennings noted that, not only does the survey informally - and somewhat strangely - refer to the Prime Minister simply as "Boris", but it does not note that some MP want to extend Article 50 rather than to block Brexit altogether.

Why is this dire? Aside from excluding "don't knows" and then misleadingly reporting as a percentage of 'the British public' ��, there is *way too much* going on in the survey question and it is leading as well ��https://t.co/bcxVyt5u8s

— Will Jennings (@drjennings) August 12, 2019
The suggestion that more than half of those asked believe the statement is correct is also misleading as the newspaper appears to have ignored almost 20 per cent who answered "don't know" to the question, and simply used the yes and no responses to create its results instead.

The ComRes poll actually showed that 44 per cent of respondents said they agreed with the statement, with 37 per cent saying they were against it and 19 per cent saying they don't know.



— Mike Smithson (@MSmithsonPB) August 12, 2019
Liberal Democrat blogger Mark Pack wrote a complaint to newspaper regulator Ipso claiming The Telegraph has manipulated the stats of the ComRes survey in the story published on its front page.

In addition of course, the question "Boris needs to deliver Brexit by any means, including suspending parliament if necessary, in order to prevent MPs from stopping it" is highly and probably intentionally ambivalent. People who agree with the statement aren't necessarily saying that it's a good thing. Even I'd agree with it.

Brexit press at its worse.