[Politics] Brexit

[fanseagull]

regards
DR

You don't deny the point then. I thought not......

Let's try again... I am not yet convinced you are beyond rational thought.

Is it 'we don't know will happen' or 'it'll be fine'?

or.... is it 'who cares, you lost'. Just asking.....

 

[WATFORD zero]

So we make individual deals with countries we need to deal with.

Yes, that would be a start

What stops us importing and exporting everything via Switzerland? After all business can declare and pay taxes in the likes of Luxemberg and Ireland if they can afford to.

One small example - Currently 95% of our lamb exports go to the EU and these will be subject to a tariff of 50% from day 1. The other week you were going on about much more our New Zealand Lamb will cost.................. Maybe we could save a lot of "Tariffs" by stopping unnecessary imports/exports. Keep the tree huggers happy as well.

And, with that, it's over and out from planet earth

 

[Two Professors]

Oh 2p.....
First you deny any violent act is associated with Brexit.
Then, when you can no longer do that you blame it all on mental illness, in spite of the medical profession concluding that it was primarily political vindictiveness not a mental condition that was responsible in this case.
You are in complete denial on anything that challenges your world view......... so no opportunity for adult debate.

Where did I raise the subject of violent acts?You are a troll.

 

[Two Professors]

I have never been to Saudi Arabia.

You know that use of the name of food product is not anti-Semitic. You are clearly trying to deflect away from the fact that you have made a racist comment by referring to the French as 'frogs'.

Being French isn't a race,it's just bad luck,so frog cannot be racist.Pork is haram in Islamic teachings,forbidden,and anything to do with it offends.You momentum trolls have been told often enough.Do you think Jezza rocks up to his terrorist mates with a case-full of bacon butties,you silly billy?

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

of course it was a finger up to them, also i'm not bothered with your views on Farage only to say he knows how to ruffle a few feathers and tells it how it is, fair play to the man
here's one of his finest moments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJzRa7HWVqs
regards
DR

How is he getting along getting his children German passports?

 

[vegster]

Was that the speech where Farage said to the chairperson they’d never done a proper days work in their life....and he was a former heart-surgeon or something ?

As good as when Guy Verhofstadt reminded Mr Farage about EU monetary waste ?

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...C4A7CD3BAEED33090F38C4A7CD3BAEED330&FORM=VIRE

 

[fanseagull]

Where did I raise the subject of violent acts?You are a troll.

For the record 2p, the breezy, dismissive comment you made was....

'I dare say some of your best European friends have been beaten up by Brexit supporters,and threatened with extradition.Tell us a story,Jackanory.' Apparently it was yesterday afternoon, so you seem to have short term memory loss issues.

If it wasn't about such a serious matter, your amnesia would be funny......

 

[pastafarian]

You know that use of the name of food product is not anti-Semitic. You are clearly trying to deflect away from the fact that you have made a racist comment by referring to the French as 'frogs'.

Going off on a bit of a tangent in here…….but anyway this author believes Gammon in the context you are using is a racial slur against whites and hate-speech. Feel free to contact her not me that she is wrong about people like you.



There is a new term of abuse in politics: a “gammon”. It refers to a middle-aged white man of a certain political persuasion. He is a Brexiteer. He is ugly. He is a conservative. He may wear hideous trousers. And, because he is a Brexiteer and so very ugly and a conservative who may wear hideous trousers, why not call him a gammon? Particularly if you are in politics to have fun, rather than to change minds.
The term is stupid – all name-calling is. Good politics is made of ideas and coalitions and compromises. It’s hard to do, of course, it requires patience and humility, not shouting and grandstanding and undiagnosed malignant narcissism. But calling someone a gammon is not only a stupid waste of a two-syllable word, and meal. It is also, to steal leftist language, hate speech. There seems to be an idea, most recently spoken by Owen Jones, that when the left says something – whatever it is – it is not, and never can be, hate speech. So, let me – as a Jew, shall we say? – explain why it is.
Gammon is pig. And who eats pig? Not Jews and not Muslims. Christians eat pork, white and black. But gammon refers to whites only – to white Christians, then. So now white Christians have their own personal term of abuse, courtesy of the new left. Thank you. For what exactly? For making political discourse cheaper and more disgusting every day? For alienating potential allies in the battle against austerity? For making racial and religious slurs a little more acceptable, while all the time claiming to loathe them, which is, if you have no self-awareness allow me to make you aware of it, hypocrisy? For making floating voters think that socialists are screaming, useless kids who will tear down a world and forget to build another one for name-calling on Twitter? For behaving just as you say your enemies do?
I’m sure the term didn’t begin as a racist slur. It was, as it so often is, a writer trying to be funny.
No one is sure who said it first – they are hardly fighting over it. Dickens used it, but he died before Twitter, and I am happy for him. The journalist Caitlin Moran compared David Cameron to ham and I can see her point. (She didn’t call him “ham”.) The comic Nish Kumarhas said “gammon”, as has the writer Ben Davis, who has since written an article apologising for it. It doesn’t really matter. What matters is that it is the discourse of the sewer. It’s like calling a Jew a k**e or mocking African Americans for eating fried chicken. It’s like calling poor white Americans trailer trash. So much of this sounds like American culture wars transported, horribly and no doubt eternally, to England. It reeks of class snobbery too; no wonder it is popular with the socialist bourgeoisie who, like Citizen Kane, talk about the people as if they own them.
Much of this racism is oblivious, of course, but most racism is oblivious. It isn’t all shooting people in the face. To do that, you must first dehumanise them. And I can’t really think of a better modern example of dehumanisation than comparing your fellow voter to a pig because you don’t like his politics. For saying this, I will be called a Tory and worse. I’m not. I’m Labour. Compute that, comrades.
Tanya Gold
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/what-does-gammon-mean

 

[pastafarian]

My own eyes and ears as I was in that particular place at that particular time. Yes, I did use the official complaint procedure, and I don't fire off emails in anger.

This does not “prove” the BBC lied in a news item. It simply means you have a differing opinion of events. Your opinion is not proof
Its possible your ears misheard the news and possible you were not at the place at the time when the newsworthy event occurred
What was the news item (link) and what was it that was reported as a lie?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

This does not “prove” the BBC lied in a news item. It simply means you have a differing opinion of events. Your opinion is not proof
Its possible your ears misheard the news and possible you were not at the place at the time when the newsworthy event occurred
What was the news item (link) and what was it that was reported as a lie?

I'm not going to tell you. You can think what you like.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

Being French isn't a race,it's just bad luck,so frog cannot be racist.Pork is haram in Islamic teachings,forbidden,and anything to do with it offends.You momentum trolls have been told often enough.Do you think Jezza rocks up to his terrorist mates with a case-full of bacon butties,you silly billy?

Yes, I chose the wrong word.

'Frog' is a purposely offensive word to use to describe French people. Xenophobic is probably correct for you.

So you are saying that all pig related food stuffs should not be sold or mentioned in the UK because in Saudi Arabia it offends. You best tell all the supermarkets and butchers to stop selling sausages and bacon etc.

Stop trying to muddy the waters to cover up your slur.

 

[pastafarian]

I'm not going to tell you. You can think what you like.

Im not surprised you are reluctant to share what the news item was. Would show you didnt prove anything at all wouldnt it.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Im not surprised you are reluctant to share what the news item was. Would show you didnt prove anything at all wouldnt it.

People who know me know what happened. I couldn't care less what you think.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Yeah, shame that the usual idiots have derailed it. I suppose if you're banned from the binfest Brexit thread then you'll gravitate to anywhere else.

Desperate to spout your nonsense that's been pent up due to......spouting nonsense, you scour the forum for another way in......

"Listen to me!!!!".

"PLEASE!!!!!".

Sad.

Hopefully this thread will get merged with the main Brexit thread. Or maybe the mods can remove the posting rights of those who are banned from the main thread?

 

[pastafarian]

People who know me know what happened. I couldn't care less what you think.

You obviously do care, which is why you are so reluctant to say what the news story was that you wrongly thought was a lie.
Those people probably know you were wrong too but just to polite to tell you.

 

[LlcoolJ]

You obviously do care, which is why you are so reluctant to say what the news story was that you wrongly thought was a lie.
Those people probably know you were wrong too but just to polite to tell you.

Unrelenting, spiteful bellendery from a sad, discredited individual. You really do yourself no favours.

 

[rigton70]

Yes, I chose the wrong word.

'Frog' is a purposely offensive word to use to describe French people. Xenophobic is probably correct for you.

So you are saying that all pig related food stuffs should not be sold or mentioned in the UK because in Saudi Arabia it offends. You best tell all the supermarkets and butchers to stop selling sausages and bacon etc.

Stop trying to muddy the waters to cover up your slur.

Do you eat gammon.

 

[pastafarian]

Unrelenting, spiteful bellendery from a sad, discredited individual. You really do yourself no favours.

3 posts this evening is unrelenting? Grow up snowflake. Have another hat

I make no apologies for quizzing a Pinocchio when i see one.

 

[Baldseagull]

Going off on a bit of a tangent in here…….but anyway this author believes Gammon in the context you are using is a racial slur against whites and hate-speech. Feel free to contact her not me that she is wrong about people like you.



There is a new term of abuse in politics: a “gammon”. It refers to a middle-aged white man of a certain political persuasion. He is a Brexiteer. He is ugly. He is a conservative. He may wear hideous trousers. And, because he is a Brexiteer and so very ugly and a conservative who may wear hideous trousers, why not call him a gammon? Particularly if you are in politics to have fun, rather than to change minds.
The term is stupid – all name-calling is. Good politics is made of ideas and coalitions and compromises. It’s hard to do, of course, it requires patience and humility, not shouting and grandstanding and undiagnosed malignant narcissism. But calling someone a gammon is not only a stupid waste of a two-syllable word, and meal. It is also, to steal leftist language, hate speech. There seems to be an idea, most recently spoken by Owen Jones, that when the left says something – whatever it is – it is not, and never can be, hate speech. So, let me – as a Jew, shall we say? – explain why it is.
Gammon is pig. And who eats pig? Not Jews and not Muslims. Christians eat pork, white and black. But gammon refers to whites only – to white Christians, then. So now white Christians have their own personal term of abuse, courtesy of the new left. Thank you. For what exactly? For making political discourse cheaper and more disgusting every day? For alienating potential allies in the battle against austerity? For making racial and religious slurs a little more acceptable, while all the time claiming to loathe them, which is, if you have no self-awareness allow me to make you aware of it, hypocrisy? For making floating voters think that socialists are screaming, useless kids who will tear down a world and forget to build another one for name-calling on Twitter? For behaving just as you say your enemies do?
I’m sure the term didn’t begin as a racist slur. It was, as it so often is, a writer trying to be funny.
No one is sure who said it first – they are hardly fighting over it. Dickens used it, but he died before Twitter, and I am happy for him. The journalist Caitlin Moran compared David Cameron to ham and I can see her point. (She didn’t call him “ham”.) The comic Nish Kumarhas said “gammon”, as has the writer Ben Davis, who has since written an article apologising for it. It doesn’t really matter. What matters is that it is the discourse of the sewer. It’s like calling a Jew a k**e or mocking African Americans for eating fried chicken. It’s like calling poor white Americans trailer trash. So much of this sounds like American culture wars transported, horribly and no doubt eternally, to England. It reeks of class snobbery too; no wonder it is popular with the socialist bourgeoisie who, like Citizen Kane, talk about the people as if they own them.
Much of this racism is oblivious, of course, but most racism is oblivious. It isn’t all shooting people in the face. To do that, you must first dehumanise them. And I can’t really think of a better modern example of dehumanisation than comparing your fellow voter to a pig because you don’t like his politics. For saying this, I will be called a Tory and worse. I’m not. I’m Labour. Compute that, comrades.
Tanya Gold
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/what-does-gammon-mean

Funny that, cos most Gammons would go red in the face saying loudly that this piece was "Political correctness gone mad!"

 

[LlcoolJ]

3 posts this evening is unrelenting? Grow up snowflake. Have another hat

I make no apologies for quizzing a Pinocchio when i see one.

No darling. Unrelenting meaning your posts in general. All you ever do is make a tit of yourself. But you carry on. "Snowflake" oh dear.... Try your other kiddie insults "soyboy" and "cuck" for the full house of saddo term bingo.

The state of it. LOLZ.