[Politics] Brexit

[Questions]

If Slartibartfast had been on the Brexit negotiating team we would most certainly have gone down the ‘Norway Option’ route and have recieved some of their lovely fjords in the deal.

Then there was the Canada option - I don’t even know where to begin with that one.

 

[Two Professors]

I'd always assumed that MPs who have traditionally supported British membership did so for entirely laudable reasons, such as a belief that it best served opportunities for young people or the economic wellbeing of the country. You say that most of them simply want a ride on the gravy train after they leave office. Have you any evidence of this? Stats for the number of ex-MPs currently working for the EU perhaps...

Have you got any evidence of their laudable reasons?Remember you are talking about British MP's.If they are concerned for young people,why are they trying to keep us in the youth unemployment blackspot called the EU?

 

[pastafarian]

I really don't know how else to say this.

Because they are very different, neither one of them has a majority in parliament and no-one knows which one the electorate preferred as it was never asked.

So which one should we 'get on with' then ?

I stupidly assumed that the referendum was Leave or Stay, with details left to the experts. When I vote in an election, I don't say I'm voting Monster Raving Looney but I want this, that and t'other. Compromise is the order of the day, whilst accepting que sera sera.

Now that IS easy to understand.

Article 50 is quite clear, there will either be a negotiated deal to decide on or the treaties will cease to apply and we exit with no deal.
Parliament gave the decision to Leave or Remain to the people, Parliament was given an instruction to Leave,This has been decided. It is the job of the executive and parliament to sort out the business of leaving.
[MENTION=35196]Is it PotG?[/MENTION] is correct and so are you,it is not the job of the people to decide the outcome of Leaving via the Article 50 process, the voters have not been asked or instructed to decided how we Leave the EU, only that we should Leave
If parliament fails and cannot get its act together to decide how we Leave, either with the deal that has been negotiated and is on the table or with no deal then by all means put that decision in the hands of the people via a referendum and take Parliament deciding out of the equation. They can simply enact the instruction they are given.

A/ Leave the EU with the final negotiated deal
Or
B/ Leave the EU with no deal

Bring it on.
Still want the people to decide how we Leave or do you want Parliament to do it.?

 

[daveinplzen]

But MP's voting Remain are mainly interested in keeping the Gravy Train in operation for when they get de-selected or voted out,not the good of the country.We are not ordering them to commit mass murder,or genocide,just follow the electorate's vote to Leave.

So, the electorate voted to hurt the country for decades with a 'no deal'. Is that what they wanted? Is that what you want? Really? Brexiteers complain that they are called stupid. You're convincing me. Thanks.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Iain Duncan Smith is now threatening the #EU - The #EU now has a decision to make "if you want a deal you'd better damn well step up to the plate"

That will help....

Project blame, he knows full well the EU have all the cards - even more so after a failed coup.

 

[Guinness Boy]

BrExit - the countdown to 11PM GMT on Friday 29th of March 2019

But MP's voting Remain are mainly interested in keeping the Gravy Train in operation for when they get de-selected or voted out,not the good of the country.We are not ordering them to commit mass murder,or genocide,just follow the electorate's vote to Leave.

You mean the gravy train that Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson’s father were on? That one?


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[Kinky Gerbil]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....roup-told-to-repay-half-a-million-in-eu-funds

Poor Dan.

 

[Guinness Boy]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....roup-told-to-repay-half-a-million-in-eu-funds

Poor Dan.

Another Brexiteer on the gravy train


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[sir albion]

Iain Duncan Smith is now threatening the #EU - The #EU now has a decision to make "if you want a deal you'd better damn well step up to the plate"

That will help....

Project blame, he knows full well the EU have all the cards - even more so after a failed coup.

Maybe that's why people don't like the EU...Let's be honest it really is dominated by Germany,France and Brussels and the rest just do as they're told !!

Good riddance

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Iain Duncan Smith is now threatening the #EU - The #EU now has a decision to make "if you want a deal you'd better damn well step up to the plate"

That will help....

Project blame, he knows full well the EU have all the cards - even more so after a failed coup.

It's all posturing to his Tory mates. Look at me, I can shout at the Europeans.

 

[sir albion]

You mean the gravy train that Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson’s father were on? That one?


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Boris's dad was a remainer !

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Boris's dad was a remainer !

He was employed by the European Commission.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Boris's dad was a remainer !

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Maybe that's why people don't like the EU...Let's be honest it really is dominated by Germany,France and Brussels and the rest just do as they're told !!

Good riddance

No one wants to give us a good deal, because why would they?

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

Iain Duncan Smith is now threatening the #EU - The #EU now has a decision to make "if you want a deal you'd better damn well step up to the plate"

That will help....

Project blame, he knows full well the EU have all the cards - even more so after a failed coup.

About time someone stood up to them. I still think they think we are bluffing about leaving.

We should have prepared for no deal two years ago, and let them come to us.

For those who still think we will not be leaving on 29th March, do you think that parliament will be able to vote through a new law to change the current law, which states we leave on 29th March.

I think any MP who votes to change that law, is voting against democracy.

Lets just leave with no deal on 29th March. I know the bed wetters will probably shit themselves at the thought of that, but they sky won't fall in, planes won't be grounded, ships won't sink, and the army won't start rounding up and shooting citizens.

We will carry as normal for a while. The EU cannot just cut us off as much as I am sure some of them would love to. It will be like firing the first weapon in a nuclear war. It will hurt them just as much as us if they want to play grown up games.

We will be okay petals.

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

No one wants to give us a good deal, because why would they?

Because it would be in their interest to.

The EU are caught between a hard place and a rock. They will bluff to the very end.

They don't want us to leave, because they know we will prosper and other will follow suit.

They know they cannot punish us, because they will be hurting themselves just as bad in the short term, far far worse in the long term.

What will happen is, they will "re-word" the back stop agreement to get it though parliament.

Parliament will reject it

We will leave without a deal.

Shit will hit the fan for a few months, before everything settles down, the UK prospers, the EU flounders and others "members" vote to leave.

History will look back on the whole sorry affair and see it as the beginning of the end of the EU, and history will show if they EU wasn't so self serving and arrogant, and just backed down a little, then things would have been so different.

If we don't leave on the 29th, if there is another vote, this country will properly go the to shithouse. Leaving without a deal would be a walk in the part compared to what could happen if Parliament ignores the will of the people.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

About time someone stood up to them. I still think they think we are bluffing about leaving.

We should have prepared for no deal two years ago, and let them come to us.

For those who still think we will not be leaving on 29th March, do you think that parliament will be able to vote through a new law to change the current law, which states we leave on 29th March.

I think any MP who votes to change that law, is voting against democracy.

Lets just leave with no deal on 29th March. I know the bed wetters will probably shit themselves at the thought of that, but they sky won't fall in, planes won't be grounded, ships won't sink, and the army won't start rounding up and shooting citizens.

We will carry as normal for a while. The EU cannot just cut us off as much as I am sure some of them would love to. It will be like firing the first weapon in a nuclear war. It will hurt them just as much as us if they want to play grown up games.

We will be okay petals.

With no deal those things will happen.

There has to be some sort of deal for it not to.

 

[Berty23]

Lol. People still think no deal will see nothing happen. Who remembers the fuel strikes when people were worried their car might not be full of fuel even though they only filled up once a month normally? All petrol stations were empty.

Imagine the scenes in March. A few people start stocking up and before you know it carnage. We buy about 10 million loaves of bread a day in the U.K. imagine if people start picking up one more for the freezer. Same with milk, fruit, veg, meat etc. Our whole infrastructure relies on just in time and regular shopping habits. People see the pandemonium in shops on Black Friday. Imagine it for food. It will be carnage. Everyone knows that travel and supplies would be affected but not how much, that is actually pretty irrelevant if people start with a panic and the infrastrure falls down.

Who will be the people who suffer? The poor who can’t stick up and the less mobile. Ironically they are statically more likely to want this to happen.

Weird world.

What about when people don’t get the drugs they need? Would someone accept the death of a family member as being worth it? Or is that only if it is someone else’s family? Are people actually prepared to lose their jobs? Or is it prepared for someone else to lose their’s?

Interesting times ahead and anyone who thinks that the general public will act rationally is a bit deluded.

 

[Two Professors]

So, the electorate voted to hurt the country for decades with a 'no deal'. Is that what they wanted? Is that what you want? Really? Brexiteers complain that they are called stupid. You're convincing me. Thanks.

You really have no idea if Brexit will hurt the country for decades,you read it on Twitter,or RT,and it suits your point of view.I want us out before the whole project Greater Europe goes belly up,and we can choose to help them with a bail-out,or not,depending on how nicely they ask.I also do not want to condemn the youth of this country to the mass unemployment policies of the EU.The EU helps the university trained kids,and sod all the others,just ask the French,Italian,Spanish and Greek unemployed under 25's.'Cross the road.I'm sure you will find waiters wanted' as Micron told one lad.

 

[Two Professors]

Lol. People still think no deal will see nothing happen. Who remembers the fuel strikes when people were worried their car might not be full of fuel even though they only filled up once a month normally? All petrol stations were empty.

Imagine the scenes in March. A few people start stocking up and before you know it carnage. We buy about 10 million loaves of bread a day in the U.K. imagine if people start picking up one more for the freezer. Same with milk, fruit, veg, meat etc. Our whole infrastructure relies on just in time and regular shopping habits. People see the pandemonium in shops on Black Friday. Imagine it for food. It will be carnage. Everyone knows that travel and supplies would be affected but not how much, that is actually pretty irrelevant if people start with a panic and the infrastrure falls down.

Who will be the people who suffer? The poor who can’t stick up and the less mobile. Ironically they are statically more likely to want this to happen.

Weird world.

What about when people don’t get the drugs they need? Would someone accept the death of a family member as being worth it? Or is that only if it is someone else’s family? Are people actually prepared to lose their jobs? Or is it prepared for someone else to lose their’s?

Interesting times ahead and anyone who thinks that the general public will act rationally is a bit deluded.

Ah,you think the general public will act rationally,then?