[Politics] Brexit

[vegster]

Storming performance from JC, May sounding desperate.

 

[BBassic]

For f**k sake woman answer a f**king question!

You are in power right now. Not Labour. So ANSWER THE F**KING QUESTION YOU RELENTLESS C**T!

 

[vegster]

For f**k sake woman answer a f**king question!

You are in power right now. Not Labour. So ANSWER THE F**KING QUESTION YOU RELENTLESS C**T!

Her answer to the question, any question is simply to cast the spectre of chaos that would arise with a Labour government. She has the famous " Not me guv " about the chaos she and the tory's have brought about.

 

[BBassic]

Her answer to the question, any question is simply to cast the spectre of chaos that would arise with a Labour government. She has the famous " Not me guv " about the chaos she and the tory's have brought about.

Stole this from a guy on Reddit, it's entirely apt:

Transcript of the TM/JC exchange:

JC: "So brexit?"
TM: "Labour are shit"

JC: "So brexit?"
TM: "Labour are shit"

JC: "So brexit?"
TM: "Labour are shit"

JC: "So brexit?"
TM: "Labour are shit"

JC: "So brexit?"
TM: "Labour are shit"

JC: "So brexit?"
TM: "Labour are shit"

 

[clapham_gull]

Stole this from a guy on Reddit, it's entirely apt:

Transcript of the TM/JC exchange:

JC: "So brexit?"
TM: "Labour are shit"

JC: "So brexit?"
TM: "Labour are shit"

JC: "So brexit?"
TM: "Labour are shit"

JC: "So brexit?"
TM: "Labour are shit"

JC: "So brexit?"
TM: "Labour are shit"

JC: "So brexit?"
TM: "Labour are shit"

There are a bit shit though.

 

[Ernest]

Always get one Tory saying how wonderful she is and how wonderful her policies are

 

[ManOfSussex]

Sky News reporting 141 Tories have publicly stated they'll back The PM tonight thus far.

I thought The ERG oddballs were very quiet and conspicuous by their absence in PMQ's from what I saw of it too. Make of that what you will.

 

[Ernest]

Sky News reporting 141 Tories have publicly stated they'll back The PM tonight thus far.

I thought The ERG oddballs were very quiet and conspicuous by their absence in PMQ's from what I saw of it too. Make of that what you will.

Keeping their powder dry or busy plotting

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Sky News reporting 141 Tories have publicly stated they'll back The PM tonight thus far.

I thought The ERG oddballs were very quiet and conspicuous by their absence in PMQ's from what I saw of it too. Make of that what you will.

Secret ballot - where will their pens actually land ?

 

[pb21]

Secret ballot - where will their pens actually land ?

I read something earlier that even though its secret you may 'have' to show how you voted!

 

[ManOfSussex]

Keeping their powder dry or busy plotting

Or getting their excuses ready. I think this has all happened too quickly for them.

 

[Is it PotG?]

I see Jezza has had some coaching; he delivers his Qs calmly, slowly and methodically before rising to an AGGRESSIVE CRESCENDO at the climax.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Secret ballot - where will their pens actually land ?

In her back perhaps?

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[Triggaaar]

I don't know why I watch PMQ's. It hacks me off everytime.

Questions asked.
Whataboutery thrown back.
No answers.

It's f**king childish bullshit.

It's like NSC, except they're being paid and they're running our country.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

That's simply not true. There was plenty of discussion here about problems with the EU, the direction it's been going and why voters don't want to be part of it, with examples such as their contemptuous treatment of Greece. How you've managed to convince yourself that the only argument was regarding immigration I don't know.

There were other arguments its true, but I think his point is - sorry if I've have misconstrued it - that immigration was actually the best reason to leave the EU, and yet many leavers are now running away from it. As a staunch remainer, I did have a period early in the referendum campaign when I considered voting leave because of the immigration issue, as it is something that needs to be addressed in some form. It should be OK to discuss immigration without being classed a racist, but unfortunately the loudest voices on controlling immigration happen to be from actual racists, which understandably skews responses.

I think there are plenty of reasons to challenge/quit membership of the EU, and there have been a number of posters on here as well as in the "real world" that have put good arguments forward.

But it is undeniably the case that immigration has been used as a key driver within the Leave agenda.

It's a failure of politicians and society as a whole to discuss immigration and the disenfranchisement of significant parts of the electorate that led to this stupid mess we are in now imo.

Yep, I agree, again because the loudest voices discussing immigration are actual racists - like Tommy Robinson - that many of us shy away from the debate. I'd like to have it because I am concerned by immigration and how it is impacting our nation, by how immigrants are treated disgracefully by our country, by how some sections of our society respond to immigrants - its creating a lot of division and unhappiness

Around 4% of the UK population originates from the EU. Its out of control, like Syrian's entering Jordan....

It is a failure but also the elephant in the room. Regardless of the EU, economic growth almost always = population growth. We have a negative birth rate at 1.8, doesn’t take Alan Turing to figure out we need immigration. Hence despite having the sovereign power to curb immigration we haven’t and it’s got F all to do with the EU.

And these are the two issues. Economic growth requires population growth, and more specifically, workforce growth. So we need immigration. Where do immigrants come from? Three sources: the EU; the colonies; other English-speaking countries. The latter are accepted easily, and come for either temporary bar-work or similar, or decent jobs in the city and as company executives. Working-class immigrants come from the other two sources and seem to come in numbers inversely proportional to each other. As the number of EU migrants drops, so the numbers of South Asian workers increases.

My argument is that majority white, christian UK copes better with white, christian migrants, than it does with brown, muslim immigrants. It also appears that the former come more as individual workers and may go home when older, whereas the latter bring families and are more likely to stay and achieve citizenship. Whilst I personally have no issue with any of these people individually or as groups, I do recognise that the asian, and particularly asian muslim, communities, are more likely to struggle to be accepted into the fabric of the UK and likewise struggle to integrate themselves - and the resulting divisions, resentments and lack of social cohesion is becoming more and more clear (as we are constantly reminded).

So if we have to have immigration - and its hard to see how we can't - I think the EU free movement system is more beneficial to us as a country than any other system.

 

[clapham_gull]

So she is off anyway - but not yet.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Sky News reporting 141 Tories have publicly stated they'll back The PM tonight thus far.

I thought The ERG oddballs were very quiet and conspicuous by their absence in PMQ's from what I saw of it too. Make of that what you will.

FT reporting that a couple of whips might vote against her. She's got to be in trouble if the whips are turning.

 

[pb21]

My argument is that majority white, christian UK copes better with white, christian migrants, than it does with brown, muslim immigrants. It also appears that the former come more as individual workers and may go home when older, whereas the latter bring families and are more likely to stay and achieve citizenship. Whilst I personally have no issue with any of these people individually or as groups, I do recognise that the asian, and particularly asian muslim, communities, are more likely to struggle to be accepted into the fabric of the UK and likewise struggle to integrate themselves - and the resulting divisions, resentments and lack of social cohesion is becoming more and more clear (as we are constantly reminded).

So if we have to have immigration - and its hard to see how we can't - I think the EU free movement system is more beneficial to us as a country than any other system.

That's an interesting point. Brexit may actually result in increased multiculturalism.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

So she is off anyway - but not yet.

Wouldn't believe a word she says about that ..... she's a proven liar.

Let's remember she :

1. Said there wouldn't be an general election ..... and then held one.
2. Said that no deal was better than a bad deal ..... and is now trying to deliver a bad deal.
3. Said that said the vote yesterday wouldn't be postponed ..... and then postponed it.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

That's simply not true. There was plenty of discussion here about problems with the EU, the direction it's been going and why voters don't want to be part of it, with examples such as their contemptuous treatment of Greece. How you've managed to convince yourself that the only argument was regarding immigration I don't know.

I keep reading about the treatment of Greece. Do you know anyone who lives in Greece, and why they were made to get their economy in order? They are part of the euro and in deep deep trouble because they let everyone take retirement at 55 without any money to pay pensions.
They got unemployment down by employing council and government workers with no public money to pay them.
They had to have a loan to get them out of trouble, and another, and another. The EU were right to make rules about how they paid it back and how they ran their economy.

We had very similar problems in the 70s and went cap in hand to the IMF. We had rampant inflation and needed loans to pay our bills. We also had to obey rules set down by the IMF.

Greece is recovering by sticking to those rules. They had a general election, and returned a minister who agreed a slightly softer version of the loan agreement, but it is working. I know because I personally know a few families who live in Athens

Portugal was also in trouble a few years ago, and Britain lent them money through the EU. They have paid us back in full and are back on track. That's how the EU works.
If only the media had reported it truthfully.