[Politics] Brexit

[melias shoes]

Sorry, but that absolutely DOES matter. It matters enormously. It proves that the country is unconvinced by either argument, and that more information is required to achieve a consensus EITHER way, and thus a true mandate for the chosen path.

The funny thing is you actually believe what you write.

 

[pastafarian]

Its a complete shambles. This article suggests the government might have to go the 'European High Court' Luxembourg to get this overturned. Surely we don't need European courts making decisions for us do we? We've got our country back now we can make our own rulings....LOL !!!!
https://www.indy100.com/article/brexit-eu-court-european-justice-7395066

Its not even a "might" though is it?
The big words at the bottom should be the clue " It's possible, but very, very unlikely."

This was quite interesting though and played a part in the ruling.
"Both sides in the High Court case accepted the notion that Article 50 is an irreversible process"

couple of remainers on here were sure we could get back in even after invoking article 50.........puts that get out clause to bed then.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

The funny thing is you actually believe what you write.

I'm glad to be of amusement value to you.

 

[ManOfSussex]

This was quite interesting though and played a part in the ruling.
"Both sides in the High Court case accepted the notion that Article 50 is an irreversible process"

couple of remainers on here were sure we could get back in even after invoking article 50.........puts that get out clause to bed then.

In fairness to whoever they are, the author of article 50 was quoted as saying it is 'not irrevocable' though - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37852628

 

[cunning fergus]

That's a rather incomplete reading of the Putney debates - the argument between the adherents of universal suffrage and those who believed that parliament should be for landowners only was unresolved when the king escaped - the New Model Army then had other things to think about. Yes, it's true that the latter view held but there weren't wide scale persecutions of those who held a contrary view - apart from the ones who took it further such as the Diggers and Levellers.

But, the view on both sides of the debate was on the supremacy of parliament - the arguments were about how that parliament should be chosen

I don't think so, the civil war merely reinforced the supremacy of a parliament for the wealthy few not the people via universal suffrage despite that option being on the table as part of the Putney debates.

Ergo, the civil war did not advance democracy for the people one iota.

It is a good example of how the wealthy few suppressed the will of the people.

Sound familiar?

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

In fairness to whoever they are, the author of article 50 was quoted as saying it is 'not irrevocable' though - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37852628

He also said article 50 did not have to be enacted in order to leave the EU.

 

[pastafarian]

In fairness to whoever they are, the author of article 50 was quoted as saying it is 'not irrevocable' though - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37852628

He also says you dont even need Article 50, we can just leave with a hearty cheerio.
The lawyers would have a field day with that stance.

 

[JCL666]

You need to get over the fact that remain lost the referendum. It doesn't matter if it was by 1.5%. It lost. It's pathetic really quite sad to think that there are adults like yourself that have spat the dummy out and refused to accept the result.

After the referendum they came out on the streets. Do they think the leavers would sit back and accept this.

Hang on. You're calling people pathetic because they haven't accepted the result, yet a few posts later you're suggesting that you don't accept this result?

Unfortunately you're missing the real issue. Which isn't whether people who voted to remain accept the result or not, it's the parliamentary process that is being enforced.

Because it's the law (or an interpretation of the law by people who's job it is to do that).




DISCLAIMER: I voted remain and accepted the result, even though I though it sucked.


http://newsthump.com/2016/11/03/parliamentary-process-means-parliamentary-process-rules-high-court/

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Which goon set all this up without knowing the Constitution, and what procedure needed to be legally followed ?

Oh yes, Cameron. What a tube.

 

[cunning fergus]

So if we'd just let landowners vote in the EU referendum what do you think the outcome would have been given those lovely farming subsidies?

I think we would know, but then that is why universal suffrage in our democracy is so important. Powerful people making the decisions in isolation is a politburo which ironically how the law making executive of the EU, the EU Commission is elected.

Brexit was predominantly a vote by the people not the powerful few, today we can see just how resolute this group of people and their shills are.

 

[vegster]

This could undermine Thatcher to the extent that she has to call a General Election, if we clear the decks and have an election based on pro/leave the EU candidates it may mean that Article 50 is never invoked as Brexit MP's may be in a minority afterwards. Interesting point made on the radio just now, if Thatcher had triggered Article 50 as soon as she assumed power the court case would have been an irrelevance and it would currently be unstoppable.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

It's odd those previously advocating a return to British law and democracy are now criticising British law and democracy!

As a leaver I'm not criticising British Law or democracy ...... just as long as MPs vote in a way that supports the referendum result. Any other way would be AGAINST democracy.

 

[ManOfSussex]

He also said article 50 did not have to be enacted in order to leave the EU.

He also says you dont even need Article 50, we can just leave with a hearty cheerio.
The lawyers would have a field day with that stance.

Indeed.

 

[Mellotron]

As a leaver I'm not criticising British Law or democracy ...... just as long as MPs vote in a way that supports the referendum result. Any other way would be AGAINST democracy.

No, no it wouldn't be. That's not how parliamentary democracy works. Never has, probably never will. Otherwise we'd have a referendum for every single decision and policy ever, which is obviously ridiculous.

 

[melias shoes]

Hang on. You're calling people pathetic because they haven't accepted the result, yet a few posts later you're suggesting that you don't accept this result?

Unfortunately you're missing the real issue. Which isn't whether people who voted to remain accept the result or not, it's the parliamentary process that is being enforced.

Because it's the law (or an interpretation of the law by people who's job it is to do that).




DISCLAIMER: I voted remain and accepted the result, even though I though it sucked.


http://newsthump.com/2016/11/03/parliamentary-process-means-parliamentary-process-rules-high-court/

You misread what I wrote.

 

[Two Professors]

This could undermine Thatcher to the extent that she has to call a General Election, if we clear the decks and have an election based on pro/leave the EU candidates it may mean that Article 50 is never invoked as Brexit MP's may be in a minority afterwards. Interesting point made on the radio just now, if Thatcher had triggered Article 50 as soon as she assumed power the court case would have been an irrelevance and it would currently be unstoppable.

The Queen Mother is dead,too!

 

[GT49er]

This could undermine Thatcher to the extent that she has to call a General Election, if we clear the decks and have an election based on pro/leave the EU candidates it may mean that Article 50 is never invoked as Brexit MP's may be in a minority afterwards. Interesting point made on the radio just now, if Thatcher had triggered Article 50 as soon as she assumed power the court case would have been an irrelevance and it would currently be unstoppable.

Thatcher is dead.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I fear that 70 MPs will not do that, especially as for Tory MPs it would also mean voting against the wishes of their leadership. Let's just hope the principle of doing exactly what constituents want doesn't spread. There would be no point in having a parliament if it did. Just get a clutch of medicine men politicians and the editor of the Daily Mail to run the show. Save a fortune.

Just to clarify what you've posted, despite the fact that MPs are elected to represent their constituents, you would like them NOT to represent their wishes on this matter ? I've seen some twisted logic in this campaign but that is up there with the best !

Thankfully, Tory MPs aren't going to vote against it in high numbers because it's likely to trigger a GE.

 

[GT49er]

No, no it wouldn't be. That's not how parliamentary democracy works. Never has, probably never will. Otherwise we'd have a referendum for every single decision and policy ever, which is obviously ridiculous.

No, we never got a referendum about proportional representation, did we? Parliamentary democracy doesn't work that way, never has, never will...........







............Oh..................

 

[Soulman]

THE Euro is a ticking time bomb which will soon blow up and wipe out the whole EU project in its wake, the currency's creator has said in an extraordinary warning today.




Euro founder Otmar Issing has predicted that the currency will collapse
In an explosive intervention professor Otmar Issing predicted that Brussels' dream of a European superstate will finally be buried amongst the rubble of the crumbling single currency he designed.
The respected economist launched a withering attack on eurocrats and German leader Angela Merkel, accusing them of betraying the principles of the euro and demonstrating scandalous incompetence over its management.
And he savaged the whole idea of a United States of Europe, saying the attempt to push through federalisation by the back door had churned the ground the currency was built on into a quagmire of patchwork legislation, into which it is fast sinking.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...n-Union-collapse-single-currency-Otmar-Issing

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/10/16/euro-house-of-cards-to-collapse-warns-ecb-prophet/


LIFE AFTER BRUSSELS: Politician calls for Italy to ditch the euro to avoid ‘CERTAIN DEATH’

A LEADING Italian politician is calling for the nation to leave the eurozone in the wake of the UK’s decision to vote Brexit.


Matteo Salvini, head of the Northern League, is championing the country quitting the single currency, making the plan a central pillar of the party’s manifesto for the 2018 elections.
Mr Salvini has been advocating for Italy to leave the euro since 2014, when he first published pamphlet on the issue.
Now in the wake of Brexit, thousands more copies have been ordered to be distribute to the people, he says.
Mr Salvini said: “Three years ago they thought we were crazy, they looked at us like martians
Italy sets date for crucial referendum on Senate’s future
“Now it’s part of the debate.”
And he says he is ready for any fallout associated with switching back to Italy’s national currency, the lira, and while ideally it would be with the backing of other eurozone countries he is prepared to act unilaterally.
Mr Salvini has been advocating for Italy to leave the euro since 2014
The 43-year-old said: “Everyone who votes for us will know that a Northern League government would get rid of the euro and move back to a national currency.
“Whatever risk we take will be an improvement compared to certain death.