[Football] Bournemouth to sue hawk eye

[dejavuatbtn]

Whilst I have every sympathy for Bournemouth (I would have been incandescent with rage if it had been us) s**t happens. I remember Clive Allen smashing one into the back stantion for QPR years ago for it to bounce back into play and the goal not registering. Leaves a nasty taste but I am sure the Premier League have got it sewn up like they usually do. They might want learn from this and to think about referees using TV replays in situations like this, after all, everyone wants the right decision made if humanly possible.

 

[drew]

The PGMOL.

I thought it was said after the game that the goal line technology couldn't be over-ruled.

Has this been retracted?

The Referee's Association is a different organisation. The PGMOL are a separate body that don't seem to be accountable to anyone.

 

[Knotty]

I don't disagree but surely you're statistically more likely to win from 1-0 up than from 0-0? I could be wrong.

You may be right, but historical stats don’t guarantee the outcome of a match. No basis to say we’d have won at Leicester or Bournemouth would not have been relegated.

 

[NooBHA]

It beeps, it vibrates, it lights up, and the referee was looking at it because he suspected it had gone in. If it had beeped the referee could not have missed it. Hawkeye have said that it was switched on but the technology wasn't good enough to get the result right in the time.

And ignore the suggestion that Hawkeye claimed the system was foolproof. They did not. Has any manufacturer of complicated technology ever claimed their system was foolproof? No, they haven't. Treat that suggestion with contempt.

I never said it was ''Foolproof''

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Didn’t they lose heavily at home to Newcastle after the Hawkeye incident, surely they should focus their attention on their own shortcomings


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[Deportivo Seagull]

I have given this a great deal of thought, weighing up both the ‘for’ and ‘against’ arguments and have come to the following conclusions
‘Snivelling bunch of wankers’


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[spanish flair]

As highlighted on MotD, Bmuff have had a shockingly bad defence for all 5 of their Premier League seasons. Howe is a good manager, but he could never sort out the defence, despite having Ake at its heart. That's why Bmuff have gone down - not because Hawkeye and/or VAR got it wrong.

Interesting point, as Villa finished with a worse goals against record than muff, also if that Villa game had finished 1-0 to Sheffield United their win draw loss record would have been identical, but muff would have stayed up on goal difference

 

[Randy McNob]

So Hawk Eye will see their Legal Eagle...

i'll get me coat....

 

[drew]

Bournemouth's problem is that whilst they can easily prove that a goal should have been given and that the technology screwed up, what they can't prove is what would have happened following that. Would conceding the goal have motivated Villa to get an equalizer. Maybe they would have conceded even more. Bournemouth can prove nothing. They won't pursue this as they'll become the laughing stock of football.

 

[el punal]

I haven’t read all the posts on this thread so I don’t know if mine is duplicating someone else’s - if so, sorry. Up to point I have some sympathy for Bournemouth and also Sheffield Utd if the extra two points could have given them a Europa Cup spot. The thing is it was a mistake, an appalling one for sure, but if there had been no technology then the ref and linesman would have been blamed. There have been enough incidents in the past to suggest that it’s tough titty time - you have to accept it and move on, and the powers that be try and ensure that there is no repeat.

The other thing in all of this is that Bournemouth have only themselves to blame. This incident happened 9 games before the end of the season so it was hardly a calamitous last game, last minute travesty of justice. The fact is they were awful and didn’t improve until it was far too late to make amends. In the end the table doesn’t lie, Bournemouth didn’t accumulate enough points to survive and that’s the end of it.

 

[Steve in Japan]

There might (might) have been scope for declaring the result void straight after the game, and ordering a replay. Presumably that would be the case, that the PL/PGMOL should have done that and did not.

 

[BRIGHT ON Q]

Whilst I have every sympathy for Bournemouth (I would have been incandescent with rage if it had been us) s**t happens. I remember Clive Allen smashing one into the back stantion for QPR years ago for it to bounce back into play and the goal not registering. Leaves a nasty taste but I am sure the Premier League have got it sewn up like they usually do. They might want learn from this and to think about referees using TV replays in situations like this, after all, everyone wants the right decision made if humanly possible.

I think the Clive Allen one was for palace, which does make it hilarious.

 

[Munkfish]

I don't disagree but surely you're statistically more likely to win from 1-0 up than from 0-0? I could be wrong.

I dont disagree but I think in the Burnley game it said we had given away 13/14 goal leads this season. My feeling would have been we wouldnt have gone on to win that one.

 

[afcb]

I think Bournemouth should sue, so that they can lose even more money when they lose their case, and get lumbered with Hawkeye's legal costs as well.

It's worth noting that Watford have remained silent and therefore have accepted their relegation far better than plucky Bournemouth seem to be doing.

The club hasn't said anything unless you can point us towards an official source ? Our board are notorious in the fact they rarely say anything to anyone ever. Its tighter than a ducks arse and thats watertight so at the moment this article is just pure speculation.

We went down because were were shit for most of the season, 99.9% of the clubs support and the playing staff would agree with me. No one would expect relegation to be rescinded, however I've no issue with any club taking on the PL / VAR / Hawkeye as these shysters have ruined the game for the average fan. If it does happen it won't be about relegation, that's happened, done and dusted.

 

[Icy Gull]

The club hasn't said anything unless you can point us towards an official source ? Our board are notorious in the fact they rarely say anything to anyone ever. Its tighter than a ducks arse and thats watertight so at the moment this article is just pure speculation.

We went down because were were shit for most of the season, 99.9% of the clubs support and the playing staff would agree with me. No one would expect relegation to be rescinded, however I've no issue with any club taking on the PL / VAR / Hawkeye as these shysters have ruined the game for the average fan. If it does happen it won't be about relegation, that's happened, done and dusted.

Can I just say that I thought tou were really unlucky to go down in the manner you did. Feel for you, even if I did want to see you go! I would have preferred it to be Villa over the two of you though. Hang on to Smug and the nucleus of the team and I think you’ll be back.

 

[afcb]

Can I just say that I thought tou were really unlucky to go down in the manner you did. Feel for you, even if I did want to see you go!

Cheers. It was an awful season, I just wanted it to end. Not blaming anyone but the manager and a few players who clearly had their minds elsewhere (Fraser the snivelling little shit admitting he hadn't put in a shift for the season, then refusing to extend his contract) King getting his head turned by Man U and a few others ready to jump ship. Eddie Howe with some of the strangest managerial decisions and formations ever seen. Nah, we deserved it, no excuses.

 

[Acker79]

As posted earlier, I am firmly in the 'we don't know how things would have played out if the goal was awarded' camp.

Having said that, I don't think the argument 'maybe if you didn't lose against x/lose so many games' arguments misses the point a bit. Work on the assumption that goal is awarded as it should have been and nothing else changes, the game ends 1-0 to Sheffield utd. Villa have one less point and Bournemouth have, over the course of 38 games done enough to stay up. They would have won/drawn/lost the same number of games as Villa, but would have a better goal difference - enough to stay up, based on the regular happenings of a football season. Deserved wins, lucky wins, deserved losses, unfortunate losses, refereeing mistakes, everything that has always been part and parcel of football. What hasn't been part and parcel of football since it's introduction, is hawkeye errors. That is something that has never been 'part of the game' in the way a lino missing an offside has been.

Yeah, Bournemouth could have done more to survive, but without the hawkeye screw up, there is a very good chance they would have stayed up (4th best defence v 6th worst attack, the rest of the game played out without villa scoring).

Their argument is (hypothetically, we don't know if they will sue or not), if not for the non-goal, they did do enough to stay up.

 

[darkwolf666]

Maybe we should change it around a bit and say, if it was us would we be OK with the outcome, or would we want to sue.

Or I would have sent my team into the last game of the season to win, which would have made the point lost if the ghost goal had been given irrellevant.

Accept and move on...

 

[darkwolf666]

As posted earlier, I am firmly in the 'we don't know how things would have played out if the goal was awarded' camp.

Having said that, I don't think the argument 'maybe if you didn't lose against x/lose so many games' arguments misses the point a bit. Work on the assumption that goal is awarded as it should have been and nothing else changes, the game ends 1-0 to Sheffield utd. Villa have one less point and Bournemouth have, over the course of 38 games done enough to stay up. They would have won/drawn/lost the same number of games as Villa, but would have a better goal difference - enough to stay up, based on the regular happenings of a football season. Deserved wins, lucky wins, deserved losses, unfortunate losses, refereeing mistakes, everything that has always been part and parcel of football. What hasn't been part and parcel of football since it's introduction, is hawkeye errors. That is something that has never been 'part of the game' in the way a lino missing an offside has been.

Yeah, Bournemouth could have done more to survive, but without the hawkeye screw up, there is a very good chance they would have stayed up (4th best defence v 6th worst attack, the rest of the game played out without villa scoring).

Their argument is (hypothetically, we don't know if they will sue or not), if not for the non-goal, they did do enough to stay up.

That is neatly avoiding the fact that had Villa been that point worse off before the West Ham game they may have gone for a win, instead of knowing a draw would be enough!

 

[AZ Gull]

I have a view on that

I think the ref might have missed his watch beeping when it went over the line . The was too frightened to admit he might have made a mistake.

I don't know if it is possible to miss it or not ?

This is nonsense.

Hawkeye came out and issued a statement immediately after the match that the system was turned on and working normally (it was reporting "goals" when the subs were shooting into the nets at half-time) but the specific circumstances of the incident were such that the technology wasn't able to triangulate the position of the ball (due to interference from the players and post) and therefore a goal couldn't be signalled by the technology. It was, apparently, the first time this had happened in over 9,000 instances.