[Help] Boundary Walls

[Murray 17]

Does anyone know how you can find out, definitively, who owns a particular garden wall?

 

[Bodian]

Does anyone know how you can find out, definitively, who owns a particular garden wall?

In a nutshell - no. It's all presumptive and 'on balance' and so on.

Have a look through here https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/threads/fence-dispute-who-owns-it.393139/

 

[Weststander]

From HM Land Registry online buy the title map plan. Very cheap. Or seek the plan with the title deeds.

Per LR:
“If the register or any filed deed(s) do contain information, the most common marking on deed plans indicating who owns and is responsible for the maintenance and repair of a boundary feature, is a 'T' mark. Such a mark normally means that the owner of the property into which the 'T' extends owns the boundary feature and is responsible for its maintenance. But you must also read the wording in the deed to make sure this is the case”.

 

[WATFORD zero]

My advice would be try and get on with your neighbours and split things that affect you both.

Unfortunately I worry that this advice is too late

 

[A mex eyecan]

Does anyone know how you can find out, definitively, who owns a particular garden wall?

land register should show a T on documents. If the T is in your garden then typically you own the boundary next to it

 

[Hamilton]

Again, expecting this to be an outsider for the manager’s job!

 

[Weststander]

My advice would be try and get on with your neighbours and split things that affect you both.

Unfortunately I worry that this advice is too late

I admire your diplomacy with a dozen neighbours .

 

[Murray 17]

My advice would be try and get on with your neighbours and split things that affect you both.

Unfortunately I worry that this advice is too late

Not too late. It's in its very early stages. My official copy of register of title states another wall is my responsibility. No mention of this wall.

 

[Murray 17]

My advice would be try and get on with your neighbours and split things that affect you both.

Unfortunately I worry that this advice is too late

Not too late. It's in its very early stages. My official copy of register of title states another wall is my responsibility. No mention of this wall

 

[Bodian]

From HM Land Registry online buy the title map plan. Very cheap. Or seek the plan with the title deeds.

Per LR:
“If the register or any filed deed(s) do contain information, the most common marking on deed plans indicating who owns and is responsible for the maintenance and repair of a boundary feature, is a 'T' mark. Such a mark normally means that the owner of the property into which the 'T' extends owns the boundary feature and is responsible for its maintenance. But you must also read the wording in the deed to make sure this is the case”.

Yes. However, the title plan map (the one with the red lines on) rarely have the 'T' marks on them. They are more likely to be found on the original title deeds - if they have been kept (many are now thrown away once the land is registered).

Also, the 'T' mark is a 'presumptive' thing - ie: not 'definitive' as per the OP's request. Note the terms 'normally' and so on.

It is generally accepted that it means maintenance on the tail side. And whilst we might also assume it means ownership - case law (Lanfear v Chandler [2013] EWCA Civ 1497) says that's not necessarily so. "The court rejected the assertion that T marks give rise to a presumption, even a rebuttable one, as to the ownership of the boundary feature and indicate the boundary."

 

[Weststander]

Not too late. It's in its very early stages. My official copy of register of title states another wall is my responsibility. No mention of this wall.

Is the wall that your responsibility opposite the one we’re discussing? Buy a LR title plan search on the neighbour’s property.

 

[Weststander]

Yes. However, the title plan map (the one with the red lines on) rarely have the 'T' marks on them. They are more likely to be found on the original title deeds - if they have been kept (many are now thrown away once the land is registered).

Also, the 'T' mark is a 'presumptive' thing - ie: not 'definitive' as per the OP's request. Note the terms 'normally' and so on.

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It is generally accepted that it means maintenance on the tail side. And whilst we might also assume it means ownership - case law (Lanfear v Chandler [2013] EWCA Civ 1497) says that's not necessarily so. "The court rejected the assertion that T marks give rise to a presumption, even a rebuttable one, as to the ownership of the boundary feature and indicate the boundary."

My post used LR advice that you must also read the wording in the deed.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I admire your diplomacy with a dozen neighbours .

I have two neighbours who are absolutely delightful. Apparently they say similar

 

[WATFORD zero]

Not too late. It's in its very early stages. My official copy of register of title states another wall is my responsibility. No mention of this wall

Is it a shared property wall with next door, or a garden wall ?

*edit* Just seen it's Garden. Whenever we have needed to do work on our garden fences, we have always gone halves with the neighbours and I'm not even sure anyone knows who's responsibility those fences are

We have three fences and two neighbours, so one is fairly obviously ours, but those bills have never gone over about 2.5K. I would always start with chatting to the neighbours. Good luck

 

[Murray 17]

Is the wall that your responsibility opposite the one we’re discussing? Buy a LR title plan search on the neighbour’s property.

Strangely no. I own the fence at the end of the wall, and the fence next to it.

 

[CAPTAIN GREALISH]

Does anyone know how you can find out, definitively, who owns a particular garden wall?

Piers your side or there’s ??

Does anyone know how you can find out, definitively, who owns a particular garden wall?

piers your side or there’s ??

 

[Weststander]

Piers your side or there’s ??

piers your side or there’s ??

Piers is on the right.

 

[Baldseagull]

Does anyone know how you can find out, definitively, who owns a particular garden wall?

If it is a retaining wall, it is nearly always the property of the land it retains. It could be a Party fence wall, and responsibility for it is joint, or a boundary wall, in which case it will be wholly on the land of the one land owner, and if you have any dimensions on deeds it could help work it out.

 

[Seaview Seagull]

Is it a shared property wall with next door, or a garden wall ?

*edit* Just seen it's Garden. Whenever we have needed to do work on our garden fences, we have always gone halves with the neighbours and I'm not even sure anyone knows who's responsibility those fences are

We have three fences and two neighbours, so one is fairly obviously ours, but those bills have never gone over about 2.5K. I would always start with chatting to the neighbours. Good luck

This. We have a corner property so one wall is clearly ours. The other side is a fence and we share maintenance with our neighbour.

 

[dejavuatbtn]

We have an 8 foot 300 year old flint wall at the bottom of our garden! After we moved in a neighbour told us that a section they owned had fallen down and the insurers refused to cough up as it had not been maintained properly. It cost them a fortune to rebuild. As a result we had our bit re-rendered by a flint wall specialist, both sides, which cost over £3k. Expensive things these walls.