[Politics] Boris Johnson referred to police watchdog

[The Clamp]

No - but they voted for Brexit.

Ah well, we all just go round in circles with that argument so I’ll bid you a fine farewell

 

[clapham_gull]

Not at all - I voted to leave after 41 years of lies from remainers.

You never used that term until a couple of years ago, but I do understand.

It's suddenly become a political ideologically that you "understand" and has grouped all the frustrations you have under one word "Brexit".

Now tell us what you actually believe in, what you are pissed off about and I'll tell you why I reluctantly voted for remain.

 

[Brightonfan1983]

As some sort of a microcosm of what Brexit has done to the country, this thread is it. If you're for Brexit, Boris is blatantly an utterly innocent victim of Remoaner petulance, simple as that; against, and he's as guilty as sin and does indeed deserve to die in a ditch. Many of us find it all so terribly and hideously Trumpian.

 

[Brightonfan1983]

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edit: pointless question.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I've not been played at all, in fact I'm beginning to believe that Boris is a plant brought in by the Brexit-deniers to screw up the whole process and keep us in.
How can a country with no legitimate leader or government uphold an international treaty?
Being found dead in a ditch is looking decidedly likely.
But who will pull the trigger?

Sadly predictable, it’s going to get to a point where Farage isn’t brexity enough.

Brixteers are chasing the impossible

 

[Winker]

You never used that term until a couple of years ago, but I do understand.

It's suddenly become a political ideologically that you "understand" and has grouped all the frustrations you have under one word "Brexit".

Now tell us what you actually believe in, what you are pissed off about and I'll tell you why I reluctantly voted for remain.

I believe in a democratically run nation state, where people can have a direct influence in the ruling government by meaningful elections.
The EU was set up to turn europe into a single country with economic, monetary and political union. We have never officially been told this.It is being done by deception and obfuscation.
Remember Peter Mandleson? - "We are now entering the post democratic age", ie unelected eurocrats calling on member states to ignore the wishes of the people .... as for us the political costs mean nothing...

I could go on but I'm heading to Chelsea later this morning..

 

[Hugo Rune]

The EU was set up to turn europe into a single country with economic, monetary and political union. We have never officially been told this.It is being done by deception and obfuscation.

Sounds like a conspiracy theory.

The term ‘EU’ fascinates me though. You and ‘we’ always use the phrase to indicate ‘them’ or ‘another’. Do we mean the other EU countries or the small group of faceless officials who run and govern the parliaments, courts and other bureaucratic institutions? How many Europeans would say (pre-Brexit) that the EU is essentially run by Britain, Germany and France for primarily their own self interest?

The thing is, only when we pull off the monkey mask of the EU do we get to see who exactly they are.

https://youtu.be/X114df65hgY

 

[clapham_gull]

I believe in a democratically run nation state, where people can have a direct influence in the ruling government by meaningful elections.
The EU was set up to turn europe into a single country with economic, monetary and political union. We have never officially been told this.It is being done by deception and obfuscation.
Remember Peter Mandleson? - "We are now entering the post democratic age", ie unelected eurocrats calling on member states to ignore the wishes of the people .... as for us the political costs mean nothing....

Ok, you are in the Sovereignty / Un-elected anti bureaucracy camp.

The paradox of course being that OUR system in isolation has far more un-elected people that the EU will ever have.

EU employees: 55,000

UK Civil Service: 415,320 ( that excludes police, teachers, NHS staff, members of the armed forces or local government officers )

It's fair less bureaucratic. Just think about that for a second. The EU employs just 13% of the un-elected decision makers that the UK employs alone.

I'd imagine that is a massive surprise to you. The reality is that the EU (with all it's problems) had provided a check and balance on our utterly rubbish system with their ****ed but far less rubbish and leaner system.

Now it's only fair - what measures would you take outside of the EU to "democratise" the UK system ?

.. now you have "taken back control".

FPTP, House Of Lords, Privy Council etc.. I'm sure you are gagging to tell us.

 

[BadFish]

Ok, you are in the Sovereignty / Un-elected anti bureaucracy camp.

The paradox of course being that OUR system in isolation has far more un-elected people that the EU will ever have.

EU employees: 55,000

UK Civil Service: 415,320 ( that excludes police, teachers, NHS staff, members of the armed forces or local government officers )

It's fair less bureaucratic. Just think about that for a second. The EU employs just 13% of the un-elected decision makers that the UK employs alone.

I'd imagine that is a massive surprise to you. The reality is that the EU (with all it's problems) had provided a check and balance on our utterly rubbish system with their ****ed but far less rubbish and leaner system.

Now it's only fair - what measures would you take outside of the EU to "democratise" the UK system ?

.. now you have "taken back control".

FPTP, House Of Lords, Privy Council etc.. I'm sure you are gagging to tell us.

Going back to the days when the only the only thing keeping parliament in check is the unelected House of Lords should ring alarm bells.

One of the things I was looking for during the Leave campaign was a restructuring of the UK system to give the people more say in the upper house. I love the unofficial motto of the Australian senate 'keeping the ******** honest'.

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[clapham_gull]

Going back to the days when the only the only thing keeping parliament in check is the unelected House of Lords should ring alarm bells.

One of the things I was looking for during the Leave campaign was a restructuring of the UK system to give the people more say in the upper house. I love the unofficial motto of the Australian senate 'keeping the ******** honest'.

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They'll be asking to elect the Queen next.

In the pub this week with a mate. There is this bloke we often ended end up chatting to. He is Indian (by culture, not birth) which is relevant because I've had numerous conversations with Indians, Pakistanis etc. who (quite rightly understanding our history) are a bit pissed off that Eastern Europeans have an easier entry that his relatives in India.

That of course throws a weird jelly spanner into the anti-immigration debate, but this guy never says that. All he bangs on about is the EU enforcing laws that he can't give me an example of and lists some myths about the EU that he read in internet.

I pointed out the other argument, which he admitted he had never thought of. How sad. Wrapped up in the myths but enable to identify an actual problem.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Ok, you are in the Sovereignty / Un-elected anti bureaucracy camp.

The paradox of course being that OUR system in isolation has far more un-elected people that the EU will ever have.

EU employees: 55,000

UK Civil Service: 415,320 ( that excludes police, teachers, NHS staff, members of the armed forces or local government officers )

It's fair less bureaucratic. Just think about that for a second. The EU employs just 13% of the un-elected decision makers that the UK employs alone.

Good point.

For me, Politicians should make decisions (MPs or MEPs) based on policy developed by unelected experts in their fields who have things like masters degrees in Environmental Science rather than a chap like HB&B spouting off then getting on some committee with his useless ideas in an attempt to turn them into policy.

 

[Klaas]

Jesus. How about some people stick to what the story is about? Seriously, some (many?) Brexiters are nuts. Can't believe these maniacs are in charge.

 

[Live by the sea]

Let’s face it even Boris is a Far better alternative than having Commie Corbyn in power. How low has politics fallen recently. At least Boris isn’t a threat to our national security the way Corbyn would be.

 

[Mackenzie]

Let’s face it even Boris is a Far better alternative than having Commie Corbyn in power. How low has politics fallen recently. At least Boris isn’t a threat to our national security the way Corbyn would be.

Hobson’s choice.

 

[theonlymikey]

"Commie Corbyn" . Jesus Christ.

Trump literally donated money for IRA bombs. But Corbyn is the problem.

Boris literally continued to sell arms to Saudi after them committing atrocities in Yemen. But Corbyn is the problem.

How much of an idiot do you you have to be to label Corbyn a communist? It would mean his policies would take your land, your homes, and your businesses. ALL OF IT.

Please point me to where it says anything of the sort in the Labour manifesto.

PS , please stop calling him Comrade if you don't like him. It's a term of endearment amongst men (Hence the word comradery) or a fellow soldier of the armed forces (he's not in the British Army)

If otherwise the above doesn't apply, it's only used when addressing a fellow communist or socialist. By using the word then it implies the user is a socialist or communist.

Are you a communist? Are you a socialist?

SMH.

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[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Wasn’t that the girl who was painted gold in goldFinger?

Aye.

 

[BadFish]

"Commie Corbyn" . Jesus Christ.

Trump literally donated money for IRA bombs. But Corbyn is the problem.

Boris literally continued to sell arms to Saudi after them committing atrocities in Yemen. But Corbyn is the problem.

How much of an idiot do you you have to be to label Corbyn a communist? It would mean his policies would take your land, your homes, and your businesses. ALL OF IT.

Please point me to where it says anything of the sort in the Labour manifesto.

PS , please stop calling him Comrade if you don't like him. It's a term of endearment amongst men (Hence the word comradery) or a fellow soldier of the armed forces (he's not in the British Army)

If otherwise the above doesn't apply, it's only used when addressing a fellow communist or socialist. By using the word then it implies the user is a socialist or communist.

Are you a communist? Are you a socialist?

SMH.

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I think you are assuming a bit, to expect his critics to read a manifesto.



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[Questions]

He was NEVER her head boy

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Oh yes..... she got a good spraying.

 

[Stat Brother]

"Commie Corbyn" . Jesus Christ.

Trump literally donated money for IRA bombs. But Corbyn is the problem.

Boris literally continued to sell arms to Saudi after them committing atrocities in Yemen. But Corbyn is the problem.

How much of an idiot do you you have to be to label Corbyn a communist? It would mean his policies would take your land, your homes, and your businesses. ALL OF IT.

Please point me to where it says anything of the sort in the Labour manifesto.

PS , please stop calling him Comrade if you don't like him. It's a term of endearment amongst men (Hence the word comradery) or a fellow soldier of the armed forces (he's not in the British Army)

If otherwise the above doesn't apply, it's only used when addressing a fellow communist or socialist. By using the word then it implies the user is a socialist or communist.

Are you a communist? Are you a socialist?

SMH.

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I think it's fair, after all Capitalism hasn't done us any harm.

 

[BadFish]

Keep voting for the people who have ****ed the country up, because you assume the alternative will **** the country up.


Its a good plan.

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