[Politics] Boris and Biden

[Lyndhurst 14]

So Boris toddled off to Washington with high hopes of brokering a free trade deal. Turns out Biden is fairly indifferent to such an arrangement, why wouldn't he be he has no need of such a deal and does not want to rock the boat with the Republic of Ireland. Seems that the UK is still hopeful of joining the USMCA, the trade arrangement between US, Canada and Mexico, although according to the BBC the benefits of such a deal are negligible and the chances of joining this club are very uncertain. This must finally scupper the idea that there is still a special arrangement between the US and the UK. Biden has far more important domestic issues to address than worrying about cosying up to a country who, post Brixit, is seen very much as a minor player on the global stage

 

[Smirko]

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[Simster]

So Boris toddled off to Washington with high hopes of brokering a free trade deal. Turns out Biden is fairly indifferent to such an arrangement, why wouldn't he be he has no need of such a deal and does not want to rock the boat with the Republic of Ireland. Seems that the UK is still hopeful of joining the USMCA, the trade arrangement between US, Canada and Mexico, although according to the BBC the benefits of such a deal are negligible and the chances of joining this club are very uncertain. This must finally scupper the idea that there is still a special arrangement between the US and the UK. Biden has far more important domestic issues to address than worrying about cosying up to a country who, post Brixit, is seen very much as a minor player on the global stage

Yep, that's just about the size of it.

 

[CheeseRolls]

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1374 posts none of which were memorable and yet you assume NSC is here just for your personal entertainment?

 

[nwgull]

Obama was accused of interfering with the referendum campaign when he said we'd be at the back of the queue when it came to US trade deals, but he was just being honest. The so-called special relationship was useful to the US as a conduit to the EU when we were influential members but Brexit has ****ed that for us.

 

[B-right-on]

Obama was accused of interfering with the referendum campaign when he said we'd be at the back of the queue when it came to US trade deals, but he was just being honest. The so-called special relationship was useful to the US as a conduit to the EU when we were influential members but Brexit has ****ed that for us.

So an Obama comment as a favour for his mate Dave, is 'official' US policy for the next xx years just to make us wrong for a vote about OUR sovereignty which now they can't do anything about.

Really??

 

[Da Man Clay]

So an Obama comment as a favour for his mate Dave, is 'official' US policy for the next xx years just to make us wrong for a vote about OUR sovereignty which now they can't do anything about.

Really??

Certainly seems that way

 

[Argartu]

So an Obama comment as a favour for his mate Dave, is 'official' US policy for the next xx years just to make us wrong for a vote about OUR sovereignty which now they can't do anything about.

He was stating State Dept. policy at the time. Unsurprisingly, that hasn't changed. The UK is just a useful idiot as far the as the US is concerned these days.

 

[jcdenton08]

They'll make a separate deal, in due course. We always have done, always will do. Nothing to see here.

 

[AmexRuislip]

So Boris toddled off to Washington with high hopes of brokering a free trade deal. Turns out Biden is fairly indifferent to such an arrangement, why wouldn't he be he has no need of such a deal and does not want to rock the boat with the Republic of Ireland. Seems that the UK is still hopeful of joining the USMCA, the trade arrangement between US, Canada and Mexico, although according to the BBC the benefits of such a deal are negligible and the chances of joining this club are very uncertain. This must finally scupper the idea that there is still a special arrangement between the US and the UK. Biden has far more important domestic issues to address than worrying about cosying up to a country who, post Brixit, is seen very much as a minor player on the global stage

We're always pandering to the US, why can't we just go ahead and make our own decisions.
If this were on Tinder, Boris should swipe left...

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

They'll make a separate deal, in due course. We always have done, always will do. Nothing to see here.

Anyone can do a deal with anyone, that's not the difficult bit, it's the terms of the deal which are important. And having seen Boris' negotiating skills on Brexit I'm not holding my breath

 

[jcdenton08]

Anyone can do a deal with anyone, that's not the difficult bit, it's the terms of the deal which are important. And having seen Boris' negotiating skills on Brexit I'm not holding my breath

Boris won't be personally crunching numbers at the negotiating table. It would be the same economists and trade experts as if it were any other leader of the party.

I love a bit of Boris bashing as much as the next man, but he is the figurehead who has final say on policy, with a team of advisors behind him.

He isn't personally negotiating complex trade deals.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Anyone can do a deal with anyone, that's not the difficult bit, it's the terms of the deal which are important. And having seen Boris' negotiating skills on Brexit I'm not holding my breath

If you are out in the states, do you really need to worry about it

 

[Bry Nylon]

I love a bit of Boris bashing as much as the next man, but he is the figurehead who has final say on policy, with a team of advisors behind him.

He isn't personally negotiating complex trade deals.

Judging by the fact he ended up having to take out a personal bank loan to wallpaper a rented flat, that should come as a relief to us all.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Boris won't be personally crunching numbers at the negotiating table. It would be the same economists and trade experts as if it were any other leader of the party.

I love a bit of Boris bashing as much as the next man, but he is the figurehead who has final say on policy, with a team of advisors behind him.

He isn't personally negotiating complex trade deals.

As long as it's not the same economists and trade experts that negotiated the unimplementable Northern Ireland Protocol, The disastrous EU Fishing deal, failed to negotiate anything at all for the services sector and the rest of the Johnson's 'Good deal'. As long as it's not them then we should be fine ....... Oh

 

[jcdenton08]

As long as it's not the same economists and trade experts that negotiated the unimplementable Northern Ireland Protocol, The disastrous EU Fishing deal, failed to negotiate anything at all for the services sector and the rest of the Johnson's 'Good deal'. As long as it's not them then we should be fine ....... Oh

For pity's sake. I agree, they've made some rotten decisions and deals.

I was just pointing out a statement of fact that in government it is the specialists behind the elected MP whose job it is to actually execute policy.

The home secretary isn't there personally checking passports at Gatwick. They set policy based on advice from civil servants and then the process operates underneath them.

Labour, if they were negotiating deals, would have their own team or economists and trade experts to try and get them the best deal too.

I was just pointing out an obvious statement of fact that the PM isn't there with spreadsheets devising complex mathematical models in order to work out what a good deal and what isn't.

His team under him do all the work, however well or poorly, he just either takes credit or is blamed for it depending on how the deal is viewed by the public.

 

[franks brother]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FjAA5_KNac
If his mouth is moving he is lying

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

Boris won't be personally crunching numbers at the negotiating table. It would be the same economists and trade experts as if it were any other leader of the party.

I love a bit of Boris bashing as much as the next man, but he is the figurehead who has final say on policy, with a team of advisors behind him.

He isn't personally negotiating complex trade deals.

I think the problem may be, IMO, that the UK will be negotiating from a position of weakness with just a hint of desperation. The US and other countries will be aware of this and will use it to their advantage during the bargaining phase

 

[WATFORD zero]

For pity's sake. I agree, they've made some rotten decisions and deals.

I was just pointing out a statement of fact that in government it is the specialists behind the elected MP whose job it is to actually execute policy.

The home secretary isn't there personally checking passports at Gatwick. They set policy based on advice from civil servants and then the process operates underneath them.

Labour, if they were negotiating deals, would have their own team or economists and trade experts to try and get them the best deal too.

I was just pointing out an obvious statement of fact that the PM isn't there with spreadsheets devising complex mathematical models in order to work out what a good deal and what isn't.

His team under him do all the work, however well or poorly, he just either takes credit or is blamed for it depending on how the deal is viewed by the public.

And I was just pointing out an obvious fact that no matter who the experts are, if the Cabinet decide to sign a really stupid deal ignoring all advice and without reading it (the advice or the deal), they will regardless of any advice given to them by various economists and specialists

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I think the problem may be, IMO, that the UK will be negotiating from a position of weakness with just a hint of desperation. The US and other countries will be aware of this and will use it to their advantage during the bargaining phase

This government has already proved untrustworthy with the Good Friday agreement, which hasn’t gone down well in the USA, who are co signatories of it.

The UK is very small fry in the trading stakes as far as America is concerned. We were useful as a gateway into the EU, but no longer.