[Albion] Bloom you're a gambler so trust statistics and probability ...

[East Terrace]

In the last ten years there have been thirty promotions from the Championship
Only ONE non-British manager (just Di Matteo, that's it)
Stop appointing foreigners just because they seem more glamorous and appoint somebody who can get us out of this division in the right direction, i.e. a reliable, unspectacular British manager with a record of success at this level

2005 Sunderland McCarthy ENG Wigan Jewell ENG West Ham Pardew ENG
2006 Reading Coppell ENG Sheff Utd Warnock ENG Watford Boothroyd ENG
2007 Sunderland Keane IRL Birmingham Bruce ENG Derby Davies SCO
2008 WBA Mowbray ENG Stoke Pulis ENG Hull Brown ENG
2009 Wolves McCarthy ENG Birmingham McLeish SCO Burnley Coyle ENG
2010 Newcastle Hughton IRL WBA Di Matteo ITA Blckpool Holloway ENG
2011 QPR Warnock ENG Norwich Lambert SCO Swansea Rodgers WAL
2012 Reading McDermott ENG Southampton Adkins ENG West Ham Allardyce ENG
2013 Cardiff Mackay SCO Hull Bruce ENG C Palace Holloway ENG
2014 Leicester Pearson ENG Burnley Dyche ENG QPR Redknapp ENG

 

[Mike Small]

Great post. He's too small minded and set in his ways to do this though. He came out recently and said something along the lines of 'I like appointing managers that used to be centre backs because they see the whole game'. What the hell has that got to with anything. Were our two previous successful managers centre backs? Are all the top managers always centre backs? Does Bloom know something that other Chairman don't? Bloom believes his own hype.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

I do love some good STATS to back up an argument.

 

[peterward]

i.e. a reliable, unspectacular British manager with a record of success at this level

would u take McLeish? Bothroyd? how about available Jewell?

Billy Davies, Coyle and Adkins are free.... get them in?

There's many variables in getting promotion, the biggest is players and budget. Zola came within a sniff at Watford and i'd rather him than any of British managers i listed. Good knowledge of the English league and English players is more important, thats why Gus was succesfull, got us promoted and in the championship play off lottery. He didn't need to be British, he just needed to know the league.

how many British managers got relegated from the championship? last season Yeovil, Barnsley and Donny all had british managers, Charlton binned theirs employed a Belgian and climbed up the table...........

 

[LamieRobertson]

In the last ten years there have been thirty promotions from the Championship
Only ONE non-British manager (just Di Matteo, that's it)
Stop appointing foreigners just because they seem more glamorous and appoint somebody who can get us out of this division in the right direction, i.e. a reliable, unspectacular British manager with a record of success at this level

2005 Sunderland McCarthy ENG Wigan Jewell ENG West Ham Pardew ENG
2006 Reading Coppell ENG Sheff Utd Warnock ENG Watford Boothroyd ENG
2007 Sunderland Keane IRL Birmingham Bruce ENG Derby Davies SCO
2008 WBA Mowbray ENG Stoke Pulis ENG Hull Brown ENG
2009 Wolves McCarthy ENG Birmingham McLeish SCO Burnley Coyle ENG
2010 Newcastle Hughton IRL WBA Di Matteo ITA Blckpool Holloway ENG
2011 QPR Warnock ENG Norwich Lambert SCO Swansea Rodgers WAL
2012 Reading McDermott ENG Southampton Adkins ENG West Ham Allardyce ENG
2013 Cardiff Mackay SCO Hull Bruce ENG C Palace Holloway ENG
2014 Leicester Pearson ENG Burnley Dyche ENG QPR Redknapp ENG

So what's your normal account

 

[vegster]

So what's your normal account

If it is deep cover it is very deeply planted, 8 posts in 11 years ? wow !

 

[drew]

would u take McLeish? Bothroyd? how about available Jewell?

Billy Davies, Coyle and Adkins are free.... get them in?

There's many variables in getting promotion, the biggest is players and budget. Zola came within a sniff at Watford and i'd rather him than any of British managers i listed. Good knowledge of the English league and English players is more important, thats why Gus was succesfull, got us promoted and in the championship play off lottery. He didn't need to be British, he just needed to know the league.

how many British managers got relegated from the championship? last season Yeovil, Barnsley and Donny all had british managers, Charlton binned theirs employed a Belgian and climbed up the table...........

Is this a serious post? Davies has spent a lifetime winging about budget restraints. It's like someone has had a look at a list and picked some at random. Adkins is not going to be welcome here and if you need to ask why then perhaps you should do a bit more research. Exactly how much success has McLeish had relegation and promotion at Brum and just avoiding the drop with Villa? Coyle got Burnley promoted and then promptly jumped ship. Not had a great CV since! Jewell had a great season with Bradford and a few good years with Wigan but that's it. What else?

None of them really have a great pedigree of success. They might be better than Hyypia, they might not.

 

[peterward]

Is this a serious post? Davies has spent a lifetime winging about budget restraints. It's like someone has had a look at a list and picked some at random. Adkins is not going to be welcome here and if you need to ask why then perhaps you should do a bit more research. Exactly how much success has McLeish had relegation and promotion at Brum and just avoiding the drop with Villa? Coyle got Burnley promoted and then promptly jumped ship. Not had a great CV since! Jewell had a great season with Bradford and a few good years with Wigan but that's it. What else?

None of them really have a great pedigree of success. They might be better than Hyypia, they might not.

the irony in response to the OP obviously went straight over your head........ (yes they're all shit, and no we dont want them here!)

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

In the last ten years there have been thirty promotions from the Championship
Only ONE non-British manager (just Di Matteo, that's it)
Stop appointing foreigners just because they seem more glamorous and appoint somebody who can get us out of this division in the right direction, i.e. a reliable, unspectacular British manager with a record of success at this level

2005 Sunderland McCarthy ENG Wigan Jewell ENG West Ham Pardew ENG
2006 Reading Coppell ENG Sheff Utd Warnock ENG Watford Boothroyd ENG
2007 Sunderland Keane IRL Birmingham Bruce ENG Derby Davies SCO
2008 WBA Mowbray ENG Stoke Pulis ENG Hull Brown ENG
2009 Wolves McCarthy ENG Birmingham McLeish SCO Burnley Coyle ENG
2010 Newcastle Hughton IRL WBA Di Matteo ITA Blckpool Holloway ENG
2011 QPR Warnock ENG Norwich Lambert SCO Swansea Rodgers WAL
2012 Reading McDermott ENG Southampton Adkins ENG West Ham Allardyce ENG
2013 Cardiff Mackay SCO Hull Bruce ENG C Palace Holloway ENG
2014 Leicester Pearson ENG Burnley Dyche ENG QPR Redknapp ENG

And European teams cannot win the WC in South America.........

 

[8ace]

In the last ten years there have been thirty promotions from the Championship
Only ONE non-British manager (just Di Matteo, that's it)
Stop appointing foreigners just because they seem more glamorous and appoint somebody who can get us out of this division in the right direction, i.e. a reliable, unspectacular British manager with a record of success at this level

2005 Sunderland McCarthy ENG Wigan Jewell ENG West Ham Pardew ENG
2006 Reading Coppell ENG Sheff Utd Warnock ENG Watford Boothroyd ENG
2007 Sunderland Keane IRL Birmingham Bruce ENG Derby Davies SCO
2008 WBA Mowbray ENG Stoke Pulis ENG Hull Brown ENG
2009 Wolves McCarthy ENG Birmingham McLeish SCO Burnley Coyle ENG
2010 Newcastle Hughton IRL WBA Di Matteo ITA Blckpool Holloway ENG
2011 QPR Warnock ENG Norwich Lambert SCO Swansea Rodgers WAL
2012 Reading McDermott ENG Southampton Adkins ENG West Ham Allardyce ENG
2013 Cardiff Mackay SCO Hull Bruce ENG C Palace Holloway ENG
2014 Leicester Pearson ENG Burnley Dyche ENG QPR Redknapp ENG

 

[drew]

the irony in response to the OP obviously went straight over your head........ (yes they're all shit, and no we dont want them here!)

In my defence, I've just got in from running a kids footie xmas party so not quite switched back into the adult world. Apologies, irony now identified.

 

[drew]

In the last ten years there have been thirty promotions from the Championship
Only ONE non-British manager (just Di Matteo, that's it)
Stop appointing foreigners just because they seem more glamorous and appoint somebody who can get us out of this division in the right direction, i.e. a reliable, unspectacular British manager with a record of success at this level

2005 Sunderland McCarthy ENG Wigan Jewell ENG West Ham Pardew ENG
2006 Reading Coppell ENG Sheff Utd Warnock ENG Watford Boothroyd ENG
2007 Sunderland Keane IRL Birmingham Bruce ENG Derby Davies SCO
2008 WBA Mowbray ENG Stoke Pulis ENG Hull Brown ENG
2009 Wolves McCarthy ENG Birmingham McLeish SCO Burnley Coyle ENG
2010 Newcastle Hughton IRL WBA Di Matteo ITA Blckpool Holloway ENG
2011 QPR Warnock ENG Norwich Lambert SCO Swansea Rodgers WAL
2012 Reading McDermott ENG Southampton Adkins ENG West Ham Allardyce ENG
2013 Cardiff Mackay SCO Hull Bruce ENG C Palace Holloway ENG
2014 Leicester Pearson ENG Burnley Dyche ENG QPR Redknapp ENG

Coyle is Scottish and Rodgers North Irish but McCarthy, despite his international career is definitely English. Have you heard his broad Yorkshire accent!

 

[Stato]

In the last ten years there have been thirty promotions from the Championship
Only ONE non-British manager (just Di Matteo, that's it)
Stop appointing foreigners just because they seem more glamorous and appoint somebody who can get us out of this division in the right direction, i.e. a reliable, unspectacular British manager with a record of success at this level

2005 Sunderland McCarthy ENG Wigan Jewell ENG West Ham Pardew ENG
2006 Reading Coppell ENG Sheff Utd Warnock ENG Watford Boothroyd ENG
2007 Sunderland Keane IRL Birmingham Bruce ENG Derby Davies SCO
2008 WBA Mowbray ENG Stoke Pulis ENG Hull Brown ENG
2009 Wolves McCarthy ENG Birmingham McLeish SCO Burnley Coyle ENG
2010 Newcastle Hughton IRL WBA Di Matteo ITA Blckpool Holloway ENG
2011 QPR Warnock ENG Norwich Lambert SCO Swansea Rodgers WAL
2012 Reading McDermott ENG Southampton Adkins ENG West Ham Allardyce ENG
2013 Cardiff Mackay SCO Hull Bruce ENG C Palace Holloway ENG
2014 Leicester Pearson ENG Burnley Dyche ENG QPR Redknapp ENG

This has been done to death:

https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showt...ren-McCarthy&p=6171998&highlight=#post6171998

The repeated mantra that more British managers get promoted from the Championship, ignores the obvious fact that more British managers manage in the Championship. You might as well argue that Arsenal were wrong to appoint Wenger because British managers had been more successful in the top division for the previous half a century.

The ridiculousness of the argument could be highlighted by the statistical fact that, Chris Hughton is the only black manager on the list. Nobody would use this to argue that clubs shouldn't appoint managers from ethnic minorities, as this is an obviously stupid argument which ignores the under representation of black managers in the division. Let's stop having threads which do the same thing with nationality.

 

[RexCathedra]

Depends on which statistics....

 

[spence]

Coyle is Scottish and Rodgers North Irish but McCarthy, despite his international career is definitely English. Have you heard his broad Yorkshire accent!

I thought Coyle was Scottish but i doubted myself after reading the OP post

 

[Thunder Bolt]

What nationalities were the managers who got teams relegated from the Championship? How many of them were British?

 

[perseus]

I'm not one of those calling for Hyypia sacking. However, I do not like his tactics. Just a personal preference for the Poyet lop-sided system 4-3-3.

Stats say that Teixeira lost possession ten times against Wolves and nil for Forster-Caskey. Both were much more involved in play than Solly March who only lost the ball two times. My interpretation is why play Solly March and Tex in the same team? The same old story, you can only play on one wing at a time. No point in having two wingers as one of the two does not get involved. Team selection is a bit iffy as well.

Play one winger and one overlapping full back.

 

[Justice]

In the last ten years there have been thirty promotions from the Championship
Only ONE non-British manager (just Di Matteo, that's it)
Stop appointing foreigners just because they seem more glamorous and appoint somebody who can get us out of this division in the right direction, i.e. a reliable, unspectacular British manager with a record of success at this level

2005 Sunderland McCarthy ENG Wigan Jewell ENG West Ham Pardew ENG
2006 Reading Coppell ENG Sheff Utd Warnock ENG Watford Boothroyd ENG
2007 Sunderland Keane IRL Birmingham Bruce ENG Derby Davies SCO
2008 WBA Mowbray ENG Stoke Pulis ENG Hull Brown ENG
2009 Wolves McCarthy ENG Birmingham McLeish SCO Burnley Coyle ENG
2010 Newcastle Hughton IRL WBA Di Matteo ITA Blckpool Holloway ENG
2011 QPR Warnock ENG Norwich Lambert SCO Swansea Rodgers WAL
2012 Reading McDermott ENG Southampton Adkins ENG West Ham Allardyce ENG
2013 Cardiff Mackay SCO Hull Bruce ENG C Palace Holloway ENG
2014 Leicester Pearson ENG Burnley Dyche ENG QPR Redknapp ENG

There not more glamorous their cheaper.

 

[Rugrat]

There not more glamorous their cheaper.

The there/their/they're police will be after you

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

In the last ten years there have been thirty promotions from the Championship
Only ONE non-British manager (just Di Matteo, that's it)
Stop appointing foreigners just because they seem more glamorous and appoint somebody who can get us out of this division in the right direction, i.e. a reliable, unspectacular British manager with a record of success at this level

2005 Sunderland McCarthy ENG Wigan Jewell ENG West Ham Pardew ENG
2006 Reading Coppell ENG Sheff Utd Warnock ENG Watford Boothroyd ENG
2007 Sunderland Keane IRL Birmingham Bruce ENG Derby Davies SCO
2008 WBA Mowbray ENG Stoke Pulis ENG Hull Brown ENG
2009 Wolves McCarthy ENG Birmingham McLeish SCO Burnley Coyle ENG
2010 Newcastle Hughton IRL WBA Di Matteo ITA Blckpool Holloway ENG
2011 QPR Warnock ENG Norwich Lambert SCO Swansea Rodgers WAL
2012 Reading McDermott ENG Southampton Adkins ENG West Ham Allardyce ENG
2013 Cardiff Mackay SCO Hull Bruce ENG C Palace Holloway ENG
2014 Leicester Pearson ENG Burnley Dyche ENG QPR Redknapp ENG

[MENTION=477]East Terrace[/MENTION] - how on EARTH have you only managed eight posts since Jul 2003?!