Black managers

[BadFish]

I keep hearing people mention stuff like this, and I just can't buy into it. This country is now one of least racist and most diverse places on the planet. Racism in britain, especially towards black people, has gone the way of drink driving - it is considered to be socially unacceptable by the vast majority and gets stamped on.

Look at the reaction towards Edgar Davids coaching at Barnet, it is only positive because he's a millionaire footballer who wants to learn his trade as a coach - skin colour doesn't even come into it. The opportunities are there if people want to find them, and there is no social bias or predudice stopping them.

Interesting how us white people seem to constantly claim that Britain isn't racist anymore.

I googled it and these were the results

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=is+there+still+racism+in+britain&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a

And an interesting article from a black man.

http://www.ukzambians.co.uk/home/2012/04/03/london-calling-racism-is-as-british-as-fish-and-chips/



LONDON CALLING – RACISM IS AS BRITISH AS FISH AND CHIPS
by Austin Kaluba - on Apr 3rd 2012 - 23 Comments
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BY AUSTIN KALUBA
kaluba pic LONDON CALLING RACISM IS AS BRITISH AS FISH AND CHIPS

Kaluba

According to a major survey on race relations carried out in Britain in 2002, more than half of Britons believed they live in a racist society.

The opinion poll commissioned by BBC News Online also found that 44% of those asked believe immigration has damaged Britain over the last 50 years.

Immigration has become a ready scapegoat for racists to argue that Britain should be kept white. Other racists argue that immigrants should be grateful pointing out that Britain is more racially tolerant than other European countries.

It is interesting to note that even before 1948 when an influx of blacks and Asians came to Britain, racism was still rife on the island with people of colour being discriminated against on the basis of their skin colour.
Whatever arguments racists put forward, racism is as British as fish and chips. The scourge will always manifest its pink face from time to time.
The recent incident were a young black man was told ‘ you will always be a ******’ is a reminder to any immigrant and people of colour that racism will always be part of the United Kingdom.
The racist statement came from a Police officer of all the people who is supposed to fight such ills. Fortunately the incident of a young man being taunted was recorded on the mobile phone.

See video here…

The recordings of PC Alex Macfarlane taunting the young black man about his skin colour while in the back of a police van is a cruel reminder the price one has to pay in a white dominated society that Britain is.
Macfarlane who has since been suspended – is also heard stating: “The problem with you is you will always be a n**ger” as well as boasting that he had strangled the man during his arrest.


What is worse is that racists are not only coming from unsavoury characters like yobs, unruly white football fans or drunks in British pubs but from all walks of respectable British life like journalists, clergymen, politicians and other decent backgrounds.
Though the culprit has been suspended, Britain has a million Macfarlanes who don’t love ‘darkies’, ‘Pakis’ and all immigrants living in Queen’s land. These ilk have perfected the art of smiling at you even if you are ‘different’ from them. They say ‘thank you’ and ‘please’ to show that you are one of them.
These breed is even worse than our good and honest man Macfarlane who could not contain the pent up racist grudge against blacks to mouth the much hated ‘N’ word that has landed him in trouble.
The cruel truth is that Briton’s are the worst racists since their brand of racism is subtle like an undetected cancer that eats at you silently but surely.
To live in the United Kingdom or the United States, you have to master the art of escapism called ‘playing it cool’ just to be tolerated by the Caucasian race who think of themselves as the Aryan tribe of this world.
When I lived in the UK, I realized that most people of colour develop this strange condition similar to Stockholm Syndrome, a condition were the victim of abuse develops a strange love for their tormentor realising the power they wield over them.
Many learn the art of flattery even when deep down their hearts they want to tell off a white person or even wish him dead.
The behavioral attitude was practiced as early as the slavery days when black men in the United States developed special defense mechanisms which employed emotional detachment in order to survive their cruel white masters.
A cool attitude cushioned slaves and former slaves to cope with exploitation or simply made it possible for them to survive. During slavery, and long afterwards, overt aggression by blacks was punishable by death.
Little has changed now. Many people of colour know the consequences of killing or even beating a white man. Despite this, they are aware about the lukewarm response from authorities regarding the death of people of colour.
Playing cool helps to disguise or suppress the injustices that people of colour undergo in white dominated societies. It’s a classic case of resistance to authority through escapism to a more tolerable situation.
Playing it cool remains part of people of colour living in white dominated societies. This goes beyond their existence on this white dominated planet. African Americans in America rarely had grave yards near that of whites fearing Mr Charlie (nickname for whites) would continue harassing them in the afterlife! It is that bad.
Despite the number of laws passed against racism, the scourge exists in a subterranean form and many whites know this./End..

 

[User removed 4]

. Ask yourself a question, if your son or daughter said they were going to marry a black guy or girl, what would be your very first thought (before your rational mind kicked in). Then imagine the thought processes of older white guys running the football authorities and football clubs.

First thought would be, "I wonder if her mum's a sort", then obviously rational thought would take over and it would be " over my dead body ".

 

[GreersElbow]

Its simple. If you look at the times that most current managers were players there was hardly any black players at that time. Where are all the black managers going to come from if its not ex-players?

Give it 20-30 years and there will be a much greater ratio of White to Black managers, much like there is on the pitch now.

Precisely this, I think it's only a matter of time.

Terry Connor, Powell, and Hughton were all players during a time that black players where relatively rare to see. Because they have experience on the pitch, they were chosen to be managers.

Now we're seeing more and more black players, it's logically to believe many will have the managerial abilities and we'll see many more black managers.

 

[pasty]

This thing about not enough black managers really gets my goat. Maybe we should start a campaign to have more white sprinters or basketball players, or more black swimmers.

 

[Billy the Fish]

It's not as simple as overt racism and discrimination though is it? It's about an engrained social structure that still contains inequality, with some groups having less access to good education, more likely to live in sh!tty areas, being put off prestigious careers etc. It's obviously extremely complex, but it adds up to a situation where some minorities are less likely to get into positions of authority (including football management).

Not just minorities either, by the way. Women are still paid less for doing the same jobs as men, and there is an extraordinary lack of women in top positions across business, politics etc. That's not about overt sexism, but about a system that is not well-set-up to allow women to succeed.

IMHO all that is totally different to the football issue. Once a footballers' career is finished they have already jumped over a social divide, and probably had a better chance to educate themselves than most people of any race or background.

I think it's a bit of a piss take to people in the rest of society who are genuinely struggling for equality, to compare them to a few wealthy footballers who can't be bothered to go and get their FA/UEFA licenses

 

[Billy the Fish]

Interesting how us white people seem to constantly claim that Britain isn't racist anymore.

I googled it and these were the results

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=is+there+still+racism+in+britain&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a

And an interesting article from a black man.

http://www.ukzambians.co.uk/home/2012/04/03/london-calling-racism-is-as-british-as-fish-and-chips/



LONDON CALLING – RACISM IS AS BRITISH AS FISH AND CHIPS
by Austin Kaluba - on Apr 3rd 2012 - 23 Comments
digg

BY AUSTIN KALUBA
kaluba pic LONDON CALLING RACISM IS AS BRITISH AS FISH AND CHIPS

Kaluba

According to a major survey on race relations carried out in Britain in 2002, more than half of Britons believed they live in a racist society.

The opinion poll commissioned by BBC News Online also found that 44% of those asked believe immigration has damaged Britain over the last 50 years.

Immigration has become a ready scapegoat for racists to argue that Britain should be kept white. Other racists argue that immigrants should be grateful pointing out that Britain is more racially tolerant than other European countries.

It is interesting to note that even before 1948 when an influx of blacks and Asians came to Britain, racism was still rife on the island with people of colour being discriminated against on the basis of their skin colour.
Whatever arguments racists put forward, racism is as British as fish and chips. The scourge will always manifest its pink face from time to time.
The recent incident were a young black man was told ‘ you will always be a ******’ is a reminder to any immigrant and people of colour that racism will always be part of the United Kingdom.
The racist statement came from a Police officer of all the people who is supposed to fight such ills. Fortunately the incident of a young man being taunted was recorded on the mobile phone.

See video here…

The recordings of PC Alex Macfarlane taunting the young black man about his skin colour while in the back of a police van is a cruel reminder the price one has to pay in a white dominated society that Britain is.
Macfarlane who has since been suspended – is also heard stating: “The problem with you is you will always be a n**ger” as well as boasting that he had strangled the man during his arrest.


What is worse is that racists are not only coming from unsavoury characters like yobs, unruly white football fans or drunks in British pubs but from all walks of respectable British life like journalists, clergymen, politicians and other decent backgrounds.
Though the culprit has been suspended, Britain has a million Macfarlanes who don’t love ‘darkies’, ‘Pakis’ and all immigrants living in Queen’s land. These ilk have perfected the art of smiling at you even if you are ‘different’ from them. They say ‘thank you’ and ‘please’ to show that you are one of them.
These breed is even worse than our good and honest man Macfarlane who could not contain the pent up racist grudge against blacks to mouth the much hated ‘N’ word that has landed him in trouble.
The cruel truth is that Briton’s are the worst racists since their brand of racism is subtle like an undetected cancer that eats at you silently but surely.
To live in the United Kingdom or the United States, you have to master the art of escapism called ‘playing it cool’ just to be tolerated by the Caucasian race who think of themselves as the Aryan tribe of this world.
When I lived in the UK, I realized that most people of colour develop this strange condition similar to Stockholm Syndrome, a condition were the victim of abuse develops a strange love for their tormentor realising the power they wield over them.
Many learn the art of flattery even when deep down their hearts they want to tell off a white person or even wish him dead.
The behavioral attitude was practiced as early as the slavery days when black men in the United States developed special defense mechanisms which employed emotional detachment in order to survive their cruel white masters.
A cool attitude cushioned slaves and former slaves to cope with exploitation or simply made it possible for them to survive. During slavery, and long afterwards, overt aggression by blacks was punishable by death.
Little has changed now. Many people of colour know the consequences of killing or even beating a white man. Despite this, they are aware about the lukewarm response from authorities regarding the death of people of colour.
Playing cool helps to disguise or suppress the injustices that people of colour undergo in white dominated societies. It’s a classic case of resistance to authority through escapism to a more tolerable situation.
Playing it cool remains part of people of colour living in white dominated societies. This goes beyond their existence on this white dominated planet. African Americans in America rarely had grave yards near that of whites fearing Mr Charlie (nickname for whites) would continue harassing them in the afterlife! It is that bad.
Despite the number of laws passed against racism, the scourge exists in a subterranean form and many whites know this./End..

I know what you're trying to say, and I'm not claiming that racism has been eradicated - it still exists and I'm sure you can find hundreds of examples on google, so good luck with that .
What I'm saying is that if you take a starting point of 1970 when it was socially acceptable to have overtly racist TV shows and then look at how we are now we have come a long way. You cannot change attitudes over night, it takes decades. We are doing better at it than your country, the USA and most of europe. The next strp is obviously the more subtle aspects that still exist, as others have mentioned above.

As for that article, I can't believe you've used that as an example! For starters there are racist undertones against british people, and secondly it's a load of claptrap designed to press a few emotional buttons and stir up trouble.

 

[Bold Seagull]

IMHO all that is totally different to the football issue. Once a footballers' career is finished they have already jumped over a social divide, and probably had a better chance to educate themselves than most people of any race or background.

I think it's a bit of a piss take to people in the rest of society who are genuinely struggling for equality, to compare them to a few wealthy footballers who can't be bothered to go and get their FA/UEFA licenses

You're just isolating management in the top couple of leagues then with that argument regarding wealth. There are many professional footballers from the lower leagues and non-league that are either full or part-time that don't enjoy the riches the top 2 or 3 divisions offer. This issue of diversity in football management isn't contained to just the riches of the Prem and Championship. This filters down through the football pyramid. There are those players that left school to play, didn't earn huge salaries, and struggle to find a new career once their playing one is over.

Bit myopic to suggest all footballers are wealthy!?

 

[Waynflete]

IMHO all that is totally different to the football issue. Once a footballers' career is finished they have already jumped over a social divide, and probably had a better chance to educate themselves than most people of any race or background.

I think it's a bit of a piss take to people in the rest of society who are genuinely struggling for equality, to compare them to a few wealthy footballers who can't be bothered to go and get their FA/UEFA licenses

I think you've highlighted one of the interesting questions. Why do wealthy white footballers decide to get their licenses, where wealthy black footballers don't? Personally I think that does relate to the wider social questions about why some groups (women, ethnic minorities, working class people) are less likely to make it into positions of authority.

 

[ali jenkins]

Another factor to think about... A lot of black players dont come from the UK and choose to go home when they retire from playing.

 

[sten_super]

I think you've highlighted one of the interesting questions. Why do wealthy white footballers decide to get their licenses, where wealthy black footballers don't? Personally I think that does relate to the wider social questions about why some groups (women, ethnic minorities, working class people) are less likely to make it into positions of authority.

I think that you are right - my take on it would be that it is something to do with perceptions of success, but it's more cultural than simply boiling down to 'there aren't many black managers/coaches in professional football'.

I don't think that positive discrimination (e.g. the Rooney rule) is the way to go. That was bought into the NFL in very specific circumstances; there were a large number of very successful black coaches at high school level, and a large number of successful black assistant coaches, but no black head coaches. It was clear that there were institutional reasons that black head coaches were never selected (fundamentally the owners were racist, although it was probably more nuanced than that). In football in this country there aren't the large number of successful coaches at lower levels, so the problem is not (or at least, there's no evidence to suggest that it is) solely in the professional echelons of the sport.

 

[BigGully]

I think you've highlighted one of the interesting questions. Why do wealthy white footballers decide to get their licenses, where wealthy black footballers don't? Personally I think that does relate to the wider social questions about why some groups (women, ethnic minorities, working class people) are less likely to make it into positions of authority.

Football management or coaching roles aren't a particularly helpful starting point.

Firstly most of the 1000's of the white ex footballers do not seek these roles or qualifications and of those that do most of them do not find a job within the game.

So its a environment where if you wish you can see perceived, inequalities, injustice and prejudice.

 

[BadFish]

I know what you're trying to say, and I'm not claiming that racism has been eradicated - it still exists and I'm sure you can find hundreds of examples on google, so good luck with that .
What I'm saying is that if you take a starting point of 1970 when it was socially acceptable to have overtly racist TV shows and then look at how we are now we have come a long way. You cannot change attitudes over night, it takes decades. We are doing better at it than your country, the USA and most of europe. The next strp is obviously the more subtle aspects that still exist, as others have mentioned above.

As for that article, I can't believe you've used that as an example! For starters there are racist undertones against british people, and secondly it's a load of claptrap designed to press a few emotional buttons and stir up trouble.

What I was trying to say was that it is near irrelevant what you or I think the state of racism is. It is more for those who are adversely affected by it it to say how prevalent it is in society. So i found a quick article from a black who gave his opinion on racism in the UK. Why do you dismiss his opinion as claptrap? and how do you make the leap to assume his intentions in writing the article? maybe that is just his opinion.

 

[topbanana36]

yawn yawn yawn its getting so boring, black white who cares.

 

[Dandyman]

I keep hearing people mention stuff like this, and I just can't buy into it. This country is now one of least racist and most diverse places on the planet. Racism in britain, especially towards black people, has gone the way of drink driving - it is considered to be socially unacceptable by the vast majority and gets stamped on.

Look at the reaction towards Edgar Davids coaching at Barnet, it is only positive because he's a millionaire footballer who wants to learn his trade as a coach - skin colour doesn't even come into it. The opportunities are there if people want to find them, and there is no social bias or predudice stopping them.

One of the big dangers in any form of recruitment is the tendency for people to appoint "someone like us" - I suspect that the real tipping point for the appointment of Black managers will be a greater number of non-white people in Board Rooms.

 

[dreaming spires]

But more deeply, why aren't there more non-white players in the classroom? That would be a complex question potentially including that black players are put off management because of societal bias/prejudice. That is also part of whether they get opportunities, not just whether they're employed after they have their badges.

Put off because of what predujice? The only bias in society today, is likely to be in their favour, comrade!

 

[BadFish]

Put off because of what predujice? The only bias in society today, is likely to be in their favour, comrade!

Cobblers

 

[loz]

yawn yawn yawn its getting so boring, black white who cares.

Quite right..I am a 48 year old white male, TBH I dont even notice if people are black, white, yellow I judge them on how they are to me...even though I do find the young ladies who turn Orange a bit alarming!!

 

[BadFish]

Quite right..I am a 48 year old white male, TBH I dont even notice if people are black, white, yellow I judge them on how they are to me...even though I do find the young ladies who turn Orange a bit alarming!!

Good on you; I wonder if a 48 year old black male is afforded the same luxury as you

 

[dreaming spires]

Good on you; I wonder if a 48 year old black male is afforded the same luxury as you

Why get so hung up on colour of skin, this is the 21st century, not Montgomery, Alabama, in the mid 1960,s

 

[BadFish]

Why get so hung up on colour of skin, this is the 21st century, not Montgomery, Alabama, in the mid 1960,s

unfortunately I think it still matters and as much as your average man in the street isn't overtly racist i don't think that things are as rosy for black and Asian people as people on this thread make out. I think their is still a lot of institutional racism and that just because people don't use such overt racist language, this conceals many peoples true feelings.