Big club mentality or appreciation of where we have come from?

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Reinelt12

Sick Note
Nov 8, 2006
1,314
Lichfield, United Kingdom
There seems to be a great divide of Brighton fans who are either in the "We are a big club, always have been and should be in the Premier League" or the "Look where we have come from, we can't expect instant success".

Most threads carry this theme along, with the two camps fighting against each other.

I think that we are actually somewhere in between those two, closer to the "we can't expect instant success", but in transition, with the potential to be a big club.

The fact is that we have only had this new stadium for about 6 months, with 20k+ attendances, that doesnt sudden propel us to be a big club, but the potential for 20k+ and nearly 30k attendances when the stadium is increased is there for all to see.

2 years ago we were playing in an athletics stadium at the bottom of League 1 - and have had several seasons either slightly below that, or slightly above - that does not make us a big club - relatively successful, yes, with 3 titles and a Playoff Final victory in 12 years, but not a club that gets 25k+ fans week in week out and plays most of their seasons in the Premier League.

The big club guys hate the fact that Nooney and Navarro wanted to enjoy their day out at Anfield... harsh I think, given that they support the club and where they both have come from - this was a big day out for them too. The big club guys think that we were a disgrace yesterday and should be embarassed (apart from the fact that Dalglish put what was probably his strongest team this season out, and they REALLY wanted it given the events of the past week or so)

This is not a 2 min job for Gus, he is building something very special here, and it isn't going to happen overnight. We have been spoilt with very good football and the playoffs are a real possibility - but if we don't get there it will not be the end of the world, and we will be able to strengthen further in the summer. As someone on another thread has pointed out, Norwich and Southampton already had Championship players before they got relegated to League 1, we had lower League 1 players and have steadily strengthened - it will take time, but it will be totally worth it.

Yes I was at Hereford, but I am not going to hark back to that, because we can also hark back to days when we were in the old Division 1 and got to the cup final. I truly believe this is the most exciting time to be a Brighton fan - there is so much to look forward to!

We are on an upward curve, not spiralling downwards towards oblivion which we have seen so many times in the past - we need to be patient and enjoy this ride we are on - most of all this is fun!!!!
 




cornish seagull

cornish seagull
Feb 25, 2011
466
cornwall
There seems to be a great divide of Brighton fans who are either in the "We are a big club, always have been and should be in the Premier League" or the "Look where we have come from, we can't expect instant success".

Most threads carry this theme along, with the two camps fighting against each other.

I think that we are actually somewhere in between those two, closer to the "we can't expect instant success", but in transition, with the potential to be a big club.

The fact is that we have only had this new stadium for about 6 months, with 20k+ attendances, that doesnt sudden propel us to be a big club, but the potential for 20k+ and nearly 30k attendances when the stadium is increased is there for all to see.

2 years ago we were playing in an athletics stadium at the bottom of League 1 - and have had several seasons either slightly below that, or slightly above - that does not make us a big club - relatively successful, yes, with 3 titles and a Playoff Final victory in 12 years, but not a club that gets 25k+ fans week in week out and plays most of their seasons in the Premier League.

The big club guys hate the fact that Nooney and Navarro wanted to enjoy their day out at Anfield... harsh I think, given that they support the club and where they both have come from - this was a big day out for them too. The big club guys think that we were a disgrace yesterday and should be embarassed (apart from the fact that Dalglish put what was probably his strongest team this season out, and they REALLY wanted it given the events of the past week or so)

This is not a 2 min job for Gus, he is building something very special here, and it isn't going to happen overnight. We have been spoilt with very good football and the playoffs are a real possibility - but if we don't get there it will not be the end of the world, and we will be able to strengthen further in the summer. As someone on another thread has pointed out, Norwich and Southampton already had Championship players before they got relegated to League 1, we had lower League 1 players and have steadily strengthened - it will take time, but it will be totally worth it.

Yes I was at Hereford, but I am not going to hark back to that, because we can also hark back to days when we were in the old Division 1 and got to the cup final. I truly believe this is the most exciting time to be a Brighton fan - there is so much to look forward to!

We are on an upward curve, not spiralling downwards towards oblivion which we have seen so many times in the past - we need to be patient and enjoy this ride we are on - most of all this is fun!!!!

Brilliant thread and couldn't agree more.
 


deletebeepbeepbeep

Well-known member
May 12, 2009
21,811
We were a medium sized Club with League 1 yoyo potential, then we were SHIT, now we are a medium sized Club with Premiership yoyo potential.

We will never be a 'big' club like Leeds etc. Ever. At best we can hope to be on a par with the likes of maybe Norwich but we would need a sustainaed period in the Premier League first. A big BUT.
 




Rich Suvner

Skint years RIP
Jul 17, 2003
2,500
Worthing
spot on [MENTION=5392]Reinelt12[/MENTION]

and [MENTION=13836]deletebeepbeepbeep[/MENTION] i think you're also on the money. we're beginning to realise our potential this season, but established we are not.
 




Icy Gull

Back on the rollercoaster
Jul 5, 2003
72,015
History has us a a yo yo League 1/League 2 club with a couple of flirtations in the higher divisions. I'm just happy that we're not in a relagation scrap and still have aspirations to make the playoffs. We are not a big club any more than Reading or Hull are but like them a new stadium has given us the impetus to mix it in the Championship.
 


BadFish

Huge Member
Oct 19, 2003
18,226
I think we are a decent Championship club and am more than happy with that. As long as we are living within our means I really don't care where we are in the football league. We need to learn the lessons of the past an ensure that the football club we all fought so hard to keep, stays in existence . I would be over the moon to have a stint in the Premier League but it must not become the be all and end all for our club. we must not burden ourselves with debt to stay there like so many others have done or are doing....see the Wigan thread.
 


seagullondon

New member
Mar 15, 2011
4,442
JCL :moo:
 






DumLum

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2009
3,772
West, West, West Sussex.
Club size wise we are upper L1 .

Wrong.

We are bigger than that now.

Not many people would argue we were in the top ten biggest clubs, but outside the top ten I think we are on a par with most of the rest. I believe It's about stadiums, season ticket holders, passion and catchment areas..... not a long-gone history of success.
 


Garry Nelson's Left Foot

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
13,533
tokyo
History has us a a yo yo League 1/League 2 club with a couple of flirtations in the higher divisions. I'm just happy that we're not in a relagation scrap and still have aspirations to make the playoffs. We are not a big club any more than Reading or Hull are but like them a new stadium has given us the impetus to mix it in the Championship.

League 1/league 2? As in the third and fourth tiers? That's wrong. History has us as a yo-yo club between the second and third tiers.

With falmer we are now able to realise our potential, consolidate in the championship and enjoy the odd flirtation with the prem.
 




Jul 20, 2003
20,702
League 1/league 2? As in the third and fourth tiers? That's wrong. History has us as a yo-yo club between the second and third tiers.

With falmer we are now able to realise our potential, consolidate in the championship and enjoy the odd flirtation with the prem.

That'll do for me
 


Surf's Up

Well-known member
Jul 17, 2011
10,442
Here
There seems to be a great divide of Brighton fans who are either in the "We are a big club, always have been and should be in the Premier League" or the "Look where we have come from, we can't expect instant success".

Most threads carry this theme along, with the two camps fighting against each other.

I think that we are actually somewhere in between those two, closer to the "we can't expect instant success", but in transition, with the potential to be a big club.

The fact is that we have only had this new stadium for about 6 months, with 20k+ attendances, that doesnt sudden propel us to be a big club, but the potential for 20k+ and nearly 30k attendances when the stadium is increased is there for all to see.

2 years ago we were playing in an athletics stadium at the bottom of League 1 - and have had several seasons either slightly below that, or slightly above - that does not make us a big club - relatively successful, yes, with 3 titles and a Playoff Final victory in 12 years, but not a club that gets 25k+ fans week in week out and plays most of their seasons in the Premier League.

The big club guys hate the fact that Nooney and Navarro wanted to enjoy their day out at Anfield... harsh I think, given that they support the club and where they both have come from - this was a big day out for them too. The big club guys think that we were a disgrace yesterday and should be embarassed (apart from the fact that Dalglish put what was probably his strongest team this season out, and they REALLY wanted it given the events of the past week or so)

This is not a 2 min job for Gus, he is building something very special here, and it isn't going to happen overnight. We have been spoilt with very good football and the playoffs are a real possibility - but if we don't get there it will not be the end of the world, and we will be able to strengthen further in the summer. As someone on another thread has pointed out, Norwich and Southampton already had Championship players before they got relegated to League 1, we had lower League 1 players and have steadily strengthened - it will take time, but it will be totally worth it.

Yes I was at Hereford, but I am not going to hark back to that, because we can also hark back to days when we were in the old Division 1 and got to the cup final. I truly believe this is the most exciting time to be a Brighton fan - there is so much to look forward to!

We are on an upward curve, not spiralling downwards towards oblivion which we have seen so many times in the past - we need to be patient and enjoy this ride we are on - most of all this is fun!!!!

Excellent post. IMO in the Goldstone days we were always been a lower medium sized club with great but unfulfilled potential. Even when we got to the old First Division we remained that and always struggled to compete because we lacked the infrastructure to go on to the next level. Then came the dark years and we slipped backwards towards oblivion. We became, temporarily, a small but relatively successful club as we yo-yo'd between the lower divisions. In effect we've had to start over. We now have a chairman, a managemnt team, an ever improving group of players, a fantastic new stadium that is going to expand to 30,500 seats which is regularly filled and we comfortably occupy a mid-table berth in the Championship. The elements are therefore all in place for the next step which is upper Championship/lower Premier League but we are unlikely to be more than a medium sized Premier League team in the forseeable future. At the moment we simply cannot compete, size-wise with the likes of Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal, Newcastle etc. That is not to say we can't compete with them on the pitch but to be a big club you have to have a regularly sold out 45,000 + stadium, an international market profile and history. We are a long way off that but who knows?
 


Icy Gull

Back on the rollercoaster
Jul 5, 2003
72,015
League 1/league 2? As in the third and fourth tiers? That's wrong. History has us as a yo-yo club between the second and third tiers.

With falmer we are now able to realise our potential, consolidate in the championship and enjoy the odd flirtation with the prem.

Really? I don't have the facts to hand but I'm pretty sure that we have spent most of our history in the bottom two divisions
 




Notters

Well-known member
Oct 20, 2003
24,896
Guiseley
We were a medium sized Club with League 1 yoyo potential, then we were SHIT, now we are a medium sized Club with Premiership yoyo potential.

We will never be a 'big' club like Leeds etc. Ever. At best we can hope to be on a par with the likes of maybe Norwich but we would need a sustainaed period in the Premier League first. A big BUT.
There's absolutely no reason why not, though.
 


Silverhatch

Well-known member
Feb 23, 2009
4,697
Preston Park
Mike Bamber really went for it back in the 70s. He got Cloughie on mega money and we outbid and outwaged every club in the land for certain players (Lawrenson). The stattos/historians on here can confirm this but our best ever season for average support was in the 77-78 season and we averaged 25,265 at the Goldstone and we were the 12th best supported club in the whole of the football league. For just 4 seasons in our entire history we averaged over 20,000 a season (1976-80).

Stay above 20k for the entire 2011/12 season and we really will be at a very rarefied altitude (attendance wise) for our club. footballhttp://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/england/aveeng1978.htm.
 


SK1NT

Well-known member
Sep 9, 2003
8,762
Thames Ditton
Excellent post... however i believe Brighton are potentially a mid prem league team.

We have the ground, the fans, the catchment area, the south east is a ewealthy part of the country so season ticket holders won't cut this out of their lives when they have to tighten up the purse strings. Being one of the best cities in the country and close to Londo this can only help us get better players... I mean if it was a toss up between and Hull and Brighton its a no brainer...

I think Brighton will be a prem league side within 5 years... This will kick the support on more and make us bigger...

Teams like Manu, Arse Spurs etc they are huge clubs but outside of these teams that have the support the money and the history brighton are potentially as big any club in the prem out side of the top 5/6....

Look at pompey they were knocking at the door of the top 5 for most of a season... Brighton definately can.... Very very happy times ahead....
 


El Presidente

The ONLY Gay in Brighton
Helpful Moderator
Jul 5, 2003
40,017
Pattknull med Haksprut
We were a medium sized Club with League 1 yoyo potential, then we were SHIT, now we are a medium sized Club with Premiership yoyo potential.

We will never be a 'big' club like Leeds etc. Ever. At best we can hope to be on a par with the likes of maybe Norwich but we would need a sustainaed period in the Premier League first. A big BUT.

I'm with you on this!
 




El Presidente

The ONLY Gay in Brighton
Helpful Moderator
Jul 5, 2003
40,017
Pattknull med Haksprut
Look at pompey they were knocking at the door of the top 5 for most of a season... Brighton definately can.... Very very happy times ahead....

Pompey did it through crooked means though, and now it has come back to bite them on the bum. We overspent in the early 80's, when the Albion paid the highest wages in the country, and the consequences of that largesse ultimately led to the sale of the Goldstone.
 


SK1NT

Well-known member
Sep 9, 2003
8,762
Thames Ditton
Pompey did it through crooked means though, and now it has come back to bite them on the bum. We overspent in the early 80's, when the Albion paid the highest wages in the country, and the consequences of that largesse ultimately led to the sale of the Goldstone.
Very true... ok bad example... look at Stoke... They came up in the playoffs when we won league 1 and reading came up as runners up... now stoke look like a solid tough premiership side... I seee brighton as having stoke prem league status but playing better football...
 


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