[Football] Ben White - Sings new FOUR year deal.

[blue-shifted]

Give it a rest guys. The Leeds fans are getting under your skin like they want, stop behaving with all this tin-pottery obsession. We are safe from relegation, put your feet up, have a drink and let the club worry about the post-season.

Maybe you're crediting them with a bit too much intelligence there, but totally agree about the tin-pottery. Let them have their moment. Reality will come

 

[HeadLiner]

If White is more interested in staying with us he would not have been doing this. Yes he's signed a contract but it means nothing if enough money is offered -

https://twitter.com/BRANDNLUFC/status/1284244685142331392?s=20

May well be pissed of course.

Most of them were.

 

[HeadLiner]

As a Leeds fan who has seen White play every game this season it would be really hard to value him at this point in time.

He has been outstanding, a ball carrying defender with pace and the ability to pass short or long with accuracy. He has handled all the Championship forwards with ease. Bielsa may think he has a future as a DM, and who am I to argue with the great man, but most of us like the security he gives us at the back and, like a poster on this thread wrote, playing there is a different ball game and i'm not sure it suits him. Could of course all change with an extended run in that position.

But, Leeds play a very aggressive attacking game and limit the chances the opposition have. The whole team defends so the defence doesn't have to. It has been clear that set pieces are our weakness and that we simply cannot score from them or defend them well. What did we do to counteract that? Stop giving away corners in particular. You would have to question, as a key component of that defence, White's aerial ability. He has decent height but a slender build. You also have the issue of his lack of PL experience. Potential is one thing but plenty have failed to step up.

He plays in a well drilled unit at Leeds, and suits a team to a tee that wants to attack. Bielsa has always shown he is prepared to gamble in any situation that could lead to an opposition opportunity or one for us. As such, risky one touch passing in defence and quick counter attacking are part of his game plan. His valuation needs to bare that in mind. A team that doesn't play that way may not suit White and he may not suit them i.e. a team looking to defend or play a defensive game.

Ake looks like he is off for 35million and Mings went for 25million. Villa were a bit deseperate and he was a key player for them as they spawned their way up. Would have thought White's valuation would be 25million too (covid affected) with the potential for 10million add on's.

I think Leeds will throw the boat at this signing, so are there for the taking. Last summer, the re-signing of Phillips to a new contract was the key for Bielsa to stay and I'd have thought the signing of White would be equally as important to him this summer. You have us over a barrel.

 

[bobbysmith01]

Bloody hell, a sensible non deluded Leeds fan. Think you are spot on. We do hold all the keys to this, we basically can't lose, we either keep him as he is on contract or sell him to whoever can afford him. Think we will increase his contract and he will stay and as you say, he may not make it as a top player, but Bloom is a risk taker and maybe a year a 2 in the premier, then maybe worth a lot more (Ake worth 35 million? Really?). Congrats on your promotion by the way.


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[sparkie]

As a Leeds fan who has seen White play every game this season it would be really hard to value him at this point in time.

He has been outstanding, a ball carrying defender with pace and the ability to pass short or long with accuracy. He has handled all the Championship forwards with ease. Bielsa may think he has a future as a DM, and who am I to argue with the great man, but most of us like the security he gives us at the back and, like a poster on this thread wrote, playing there is a different ball game and i'm not sure it suits him. Could of course all change with an extended run in that position.

But, Leeds play a very aggressive attacking game and limit the chances the opposition have. The whole team defends so the defence doesn't have to. It has been clear that set pieces are our weakness and that we simply cannot score from them or defend them well. What did we do to counteract that? Stop giving away corners in particular. You would have to question, as a key component of that defence, White's aerial ability. He has decent height but a slender build. You also have the issue of his lack of PL experience. Potential is one thing but plenty have failed to step up.

He plays in a well drilled unit at Leeds, and suits a team to a tee that wants to attack. Bielsa has always shown he is prepared to gamble in any situation that could lead to an opposition opportunity or one for us. As such, risky one touch passing in defence and quick counter attacking are part of his game plan. His valuation needs to bare that in mind. A team that doesn't play that way may not suit White and he may not suit them i.e. a team looking to defend or play a defensive game.

Ake looks like he is off for 35million and Mings went for 25million. Villa were a bit deseperate and he was a key player for them as they spawned their way up. Would have thought White's valuation would be 25million too (covid affected) with the potential for 10million add on's.

I think Leeds will throw the boat at this signing, so are there for the taking. Last summer, the re-signing of Phillips to a new contract was the key for Bielsa to stay and I'd have thought the signing of White would be equally as important to him this summer. You have us over a barrel.

A refreshing post, and a reminder that there is actually some sense in Leeds fandom.

It's the assumption that we'll just roll over on this one - and that handing in a transfer request cuts any ice with Tony Bloom - that irritates.

 

[Icy Gull]

Bielsa has always shown he is prepared to gamble in any situation that could lead to an opposition opportunity or one for us. As such, risky one touch passing in defence and quick counter attacking are part of his game plan. His valuation needs to bare that in mind. A team that doesn't play that way may not suit White and he may not suit them i.e. a team looking to defend or play a defensive .

Putting the White discussion aside for a moment.

That sounds like a Norwich, Fulham, Brighton (earlier in the season) approach. The only reason we survived is that Potter reigned in his preferred tactics and went more pragmatic as the season wore on against lower league teams, although we did carry on trying to take the game to the top teams. To play like Leeds did in the Championship, without a massive hike in the quality throughout the team is likely to end in tears.

We discovered that if you go toe to toe with the better teams you WILL come unstuck. One big advantage of Potter is that he seems to be able to change tactics during a game and the players are well drilled enough to do it. It sounds like you are saying the Bielsa only plays one way? I’d start worrying now if that’s the case

Anyway I do look forward to seeing how this pans out for Leeds with or without Ben White

 

[andy1980]

As a Leeds fan who has seen White play every game this season it would be really hard to value him at this point in time.

He has been outstanding, a ball carrying defender with pace and the ability to pass short or long with accuracy. He has handled all the Championship forwards with ease. Bielsa may think he has a future as a DM, and who am I to argue with the great man, but most of us like the security he gives us at the back and, like a poster on this thread wrote, playing there is a different ball game and i'm not sure it suits him. Could of course all change with an extended run in that position.

But, Leeds play a very aggressive attacking game and limit the chances the opposition have. The whole team defends so the defence doesn't have to. It has been clear that set pieces are our weakness and that we simply cannot score from them or defend them well. What did we do to counteract that? Stop giving away corners in particular. You would have to question, as a key component of that defence, White's aerial ability. He has decent height but a slender build. You also have the issue of his lack of PL experience. Potential is one thing but plenty have failed to step up.

He plays in a well drilled unit at Leeds, and suits a team to a tee that wants to attack. Bielsa has always shown he is prepared to gamble in any situation that could lead to an opposition opportunity or one for us. As such, risky one touch passing in defence and quick counter attacking are part of his game plan. His valuation needs to bare that in mind. A team that doesn't play that way may not suit White and he may not suit them i.e. a team looking to defend or play a defensive game.

Ake looks like he is off for 35million and Mings went for 25million. Villa were a bit deseperate and he was a key player for them as they spawned their way up. Would have thought White's valuation would be 25million too (covid affected) with the potential for 10million add on's.

I think Leeds will throw the boat at this signing, so are there for the taking. Last summer, the re-signing of Phillips to a new contract was the key for Bielsa to stay and I'd have thought the signing of White would be equally as important to him this summer. You have us over a barrel.

You haven't factored in the fact the we don't want to sell him. That mean you have to take his value then pay more. Potter said that if he was still at Swansea he would have tried to sign him for them.

He is as highly valued here as he is at Leeds, He might not walk straight into the first eleven, but unless someone offers over the odds or he goes on strike then he is going to be in the squad.

 

[vagabond]

Ben White

Ake looks like he is off for 35million and Mings went for 25million. Villa were a bit deseperate and he was a key player for them as they spawned their way up. Would have thought White's valuation would be 25million too (covid affected) with the potential for 10million add on's.

What is this “oh he’s worth about £25m so that should be enough” attitude? That’s irrelevant.

We. Do. Not. Need. To. Sell.

Therefore it’s our market, you have to make an over the odds offer.

And even then i fancy Tony will reject it. If he’s worth £25m now, what would he be worth after a season in the PL and an England cap?

And even after that, why on EARTH is it in our interests to strengthen a potential relegation rival?

Ben White will not play for Leeds next season. You’d better deal with it.

 

[Icy Gull]

Not sure if this has already been posted but got to love GP’s polite, factual and blunt comment here!


When asked what his comment would be in regards to the speculation over White’s future, the Brighton boss said : “That he’s contracted with us and that he’s on loan at Leeds.”

 

[beorhthelm]

with the talk of the ball playing defender, being suited as DM etc, sounds like good replacement for Stephens.

 

[Jim in the West]

As a Leeds fan who has seen White play every game this season it would be really hard to value him at this point in time.

He has been outstanding, a ball carrying defender with pace and the ability to pass short or long with accuracy. He has handled all the Championship forwards with ease. Bielsa may think he has a future as a DM, and who am I to argue with the great man, but most of us like the security he gives us at the back and, like a poster on this thread wrote, playing there is a different ball game and i'm not sure it suits him. Could of course all change with an extended run in that position.

But, Leeds play a very aggressive attacking game and limit the chances the opposition have. The whole team defends so the defence doesn't have to. It has been clear that set pieces are our weakness and that we simply cannot score from them or defend them well. What did we do to counteract that? Stop giving away corners in particular. You would have to question, as a key component of that defence, White's aerial ability. He has decent height but a slender build. You also have the issue of his lack of PL experience. Potential is one thing but plenty have failed to step up.

He plays in a well drilled unit at Leeds, and suits a team to a tee that wants to attack. Bielsa has always shown he is prepared to gamble in any situation that could lead to an opposition opportunity or one for us. As such, risky one touch passing in defence and quick counter attacking are part of his game plan. His valuation needs to bare that in mind. A team that doesn't play that way may not suit White and he may not suit them i.e. a team looking to defend or play a defensive game.

Ake looks like he is off for 35million and Mings went for 25million. Villa were a bit deseperate and he was a key player for them as they spawned their way up. Would have thought White's valuation would be 25million too (covid affected) with the potential for 10million add on's.

I think Leeds will throw the boat at this signing, so are there for the taking. Last summer, the re-signing of Phillips to a new contract was the key for Bielsa to stay and I'd have thought the signing of White would be equally as important to him this summer. You have us over a barrel.

Really interesting stuff. Sort of chimes with the post-match comments last night about how Keane struggled when he went from Burnley to Everton (in the former team he got lots of cover from a defensively-minded set-up, but struggled when he was exposed in a more expansive formation). The comparison was made to Dunk, who coped very well with the change in style from Hughton to Potter.

But we know that both Potter and Bielsa are risk-takers, so White is well-suited to either. The problem may be your point about his physique....the Premier League is full of very physical, skilful forwards. The transition could be tricky. Plus, we are a bit like Leeds in that we’re not great at defending corners!

 

[Lever]

As a Leeds fan who has seen White play every game this season it would be really hard to value him at this point in time.

He has been outstanding, a ball carrying defender with pace and the ability to pass short or long with accuracy. He has handled all the Championship forwards with ease. Bielsa may think he has a future as a DM, and who am I to argue with the great man, but most of us like the security he gives us at the back and, like a poster on this thread wrote, playing there is a different ball game and i'm not sure it suits him. Could of course all change with an extended run in that position.

But, Leeds play a very aggressive attacking game and limit the chances the opposition have. The whole team defends so the defence doesn't have to. It has been clear that set pieces are our weakness and that we simply cannot score from them or defend them well. What did we do to counteract that? Stop giving away corners in particular. You would have to question, as a key component of that defence, White's aerial ability. He has decent height but a slender build. You also have the issue of his lack of PL experience. Potential is one thing but plenty have failed to step up.

He plays in a well drilled unit at Leeds, and suits a team to a tee that wants to attack. Bielsa has always shown he is prepared to gamble in any situation that could lead to an opposition opportunity or one for us. As such, risky one touch passing in defence and quick counter attacking are part of his game plan. His valuation needs to bare that in mind. A team that doesn't play that way may not suit White and he may not suit them i.e. a team looking to defend or play a defensive game.

Ake looks like he is off for 35million and Mings went for 25million. Villa were a bit deseperate and he was a key player for them as they spawned their way up. Would have thought White's valuation would be 25million too (covid affected) with the potential for 10million add on's.

I think Leeds will throw the boat at this signing, so are there for the taking. Last summer, the re-signing of Phillips to a new contract was the key for Bielsa to stay and I'd have thought the signing of White would be equally as important to him this summer. You have us over a barrel.

As I have mentioned before, a combination of public exhortations to buy the player (without the slightest show of respect for the decision-making powers of the selling club), the constant emotional blackmail of the young man himself, the snide, entitled comments in Leeds United fans' tweets and their denigration of our great club has made it nigh on impossible to negotiate club with club without our fans feeling that appalling behaviour has been rewarded; even if that was not the case, Leeds are currently a direct rival, unlike say Manchester City or Liverpool. It is not impossible but I think Leeds United fans, management and media have shot themselves in the foot over this matter......

 

[Billy the Fish]

Interesting and fair summary from [MENTION=27432]HeadLiner[/MENTION].

Our management have a big decision to make here.
Personally I don't subscribe to this theory many are expressing that you have to keep every player.
We're well stocked at CB and his value might never be higher than it is now - look at Mings and Webster, they don't look as good in the Prem. To say we don't need to sell is nonsense, we lost £21m last year and predicted to be more this year. If White stays someone else will have to go anyway to make space in the squad. That boost to the budget could be better spent elsewhere, that's how football works.

 

[nwgull]

As a Leeds fan who has seen White play every game this season it would be really hard to value him at this point in time.

He has been outstanding, a ball carrying defender with pace and the ability to pass short or long with accuracy. He has handled all the Championship forwards with ease. Bielsa may think he has a future as a DM, and who am I to argue with the great man, but most of us like the security he gives us at the back and, like a poster on this thread wrote, playing there is a different ball game and i'm not sure it suits him. Could of course all change with an extended run in that position.

But, Leeds play a very aggressive attacking game and limit the chances the opposition have. The whole team defends so the defence doesn't have to. It has been clear that set pieces are our weakness and that we simply cannot score from them or defend them well. What did we do to counteract that? Stop giving away corners in particular. You would have to question, as a key component of that defence, White's aerial ability. He has decent height but a slender build. You also have the issue of his lack of PL experience. Potential is one thing but plenty have failed to step up.

He plays in a well drilled unit at Leeds, and suits a team to a tee that wants to attack. Bielsa has always shown he is prepared to gamble in any situation that could lead to an opposition opportunity or one for us. As such, risky one touch passing in defence and quick counter attacking are part of his game plan. His valuation needs to bare that in mind. A team that doesn't play that way may not suit White and he may not suit them i.e. a team looking to defend or play a defensive game.

Ake looks like he is off for 35million and Mings went for 25million. Villa were a bit deseperate and he was a key player for them as they spawned their way up. Would have thought White's valuation would be 25million too (covid affected) with the potential for 10million add on's.

I think Leeds will throw the boat at this signing, so are there for the taking. Last summer, the re-signing of Phillips to a new contract was the key for Bielsa to stay and I'd have thought the signing of White would be equally as important to him this summer. You have us over a barrel.

Leeds fans just don't get it, do they?

 

[Insel affe]

Leeds fans just don't get it, do they?

I think in fairness most football fans, don't get it do we....

We all look through rose tinted spectacles at our own interests, we have some pretty deluded fans. I thought it was a well rounded post to be honest,

 

[CliveWalkerWingWizard]

Interesting and fair summary from [MENTION=27432]HeadLiner[/MENTION].

Our management have a big decision to make here.
Personally I don't subscribe to this theory many are expressing that you have to keep every player.
We're well stocked at CB and his value might never be higher than it is now - look at Mings and Webster, they don't look as good in the Prem. To say we don't need to sell is nonsense, we lost £21m last year and predicted to be more this year. If White stays someone else will have to go anyway to make space in the squad. That boost to the budget could be better spent elsewhere, that's how football works.

Duffy would command a decent transfer fee, it would open up a space for white, this gives potter the option of 3/5 at the back, I think it would relish that tactical flexibility.

 

[Lever]

Interesting and fair summary from [MENTION=27432]HeadLiner[/MENTION].

Our management have a big decision to make here.
Personally I don't subscribe to this theory many are expressing that you have to keep every player.
We're well stocked at CB and his value might never be higher than it is now - look at Mings and Webster, they don't look as good in the Prem. To say we don't need to sell is nonsense, we lost £21m last year and predicted to be more this year. If White stays someone else will have to go anyway to make space in the squad. That boost to the budget could be better spent elsewhere, that's how football works.

Yes.... but the club to whom we sell is important here I think.

 

[nwgull]

I think in fairness most football fans, don't get it do we....

We all look through rose tinted spectacles at our own interests, we have some pretty deluded fans. I thought it was a well rounded post to be honest,

It was well written, but between the lines it was the usual Leeds shite about why Leeds is a far better club for White to be at than Brighton and assumption that we'll sell him for 25m.

 

[bhafc99]

Reserve keeper?

Too tall.


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[Johnny RoastBeef]

Really interesting stuff. Sort of chimes with the post-match comments last night about how Keane struggled when he went from Burnley to Everton (in the former team he got lots of cover from a defensively-minded set-up, but struggled when he was exposed in a more expansive formation). The comparison was made to Dunk, who coped very well with the change in style from Hughton to Potter.

But we know that both Potter and Bielsa are risk-takers, so White is well-suited to either. The problem may be your point about his physique....the Premier League is full of very physical, skilful forwards. The transition could be tricky. Plus, we are a bit like Leeds in that we’re not great at defending corners!

We're actually slightly better than average at defending set pieces, only 10 goals conceded all season.

Our weakness is goals conceded from open play. Often as the result of a mistake. This is where someone with White's ability to read the play and intercept the ball, rather than rely on a last ditch tackle, would improve our all round solidity.

With his natural calm style, he would help settle those around him, like Propper, who get flustered under pressure.

I'm not comparing him with Van Dyke, but he might bring a similar sense of serenity to our defending.