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Ben Roberts



Beach Hut

Brighton Bhuna Boy
Jul 5, 2003
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We did seem to go though a phase in the second half when the ball was punted direct to their keeper each time.
 




dwayne

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Jul 5, 2003
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Fran Hagarty said:
As I've said before, I've nothing against Kuipers - he's a good keeper. I just happen to prefer Roberts, simple as that. I'm sick of people going on about his shortcomings. If McGhee thinks he's the better keeper then I trust his judgment, after all, he knows the players better and watches them more than we do.

People are not pissed off with Roberts because they (soley) want Kuipers back, people are pissed off with roberts because he makes school boy errors EVERY game and EVERY game this thread comes up, surely you can see the pattern here!!

...Ben Roberts might be cute, have a tight arse or whatever, and has a female following so maybe he should pursue a career in modelling, I dunno, all I know is that he makes silly mistakes!!

bring back FDM
 


Fran Hagarty

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dwayne said:

...Ben Roberts might be cute, have a tight arse or whatever, and has a female following so maybe he should pursue a career in modelling, I dunno, all I know is that he makes silly mistakes!!

bring back FDM

Oh, really? Not all his followers are female and we're not judging by looks but, if you want to, I agree, he's much fitter (in the sexual sense!) than Kuipers. No comparison. However, I don't go to matches to ogle at players - there's no-one much to ogle at in the Brighton team anyway.

:lolol:
 


El Presidente

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Jul 5, 2003
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Fran Hagarty said:
However, I don't go to matches to ogle at players - there's no-one much to ogle at in the Brighton team anyway.

:lolol:

I bet you secretly want to 'mother' Chris McPhee though Fran :ohmy:
 


Nobby Lawton

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Jan 6, 2004
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Over the past three seasons, the number of times that I have been amazed at games at some of Michel Kuipers saves -I have lost count. In each and every game, Kuipers makes unbelievable stops.
This season I remember Rushden away - we were 1-1 and he kept us in the game - last season at Forest two incredible saves and countless others. I can remember only two bad errors at games I have attended - Watford away last year and Lincoln this year.
Ben Roberts also makes some great stops - two yesterday but overall in every game he makes at least one glaring error - yesterday the attempted kick - oh yes he slipped but only because he was pissing about - (it should have been in the woods!!) plus a couple of drops.
Kuipers is the better on average keeper - shot stopper certainly - and is part of the reason why we achieved the championships.

Statistics show that this season (on average) we have conceded less goals per game with Kuipers between the sticks.

Bring him back!
 




Fran Hagarty

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Nobby Lawton said:
Statistics show that this season (on average) we have conceded less goals per game with Kuipers between the sticks.

Bring him back!

Not so! I worked it out from the stats in the programme - there was hardly anything in it, but Roberts' average per game this season is marginally better. The maths have gone wrong somewhere! I did check it several times when Trigger asked.
 


El Presidente

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Roberts save against Breadford last season was the best I have seen by an Albion keeper
 


Fran Hagarty

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Anyway. I can't see any point in carrying on with this discussion. At the end of the day, we all have our own opinions and I doubt whether anything that is written is likely to change that of those whose minds are made up. We'll just have to agree to differ. Both are good keepers, some like one some like the other. End of!
 




Curious Orange

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Jul 5, 2003
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It's nice to be in the position to have this debate, eh!!

But lets think about this shall we, and compare the keepers in the key areas of goalkeeping:

SHOT-STOPPING - Both keepers are excellent shot stoppers, I don't think anybody would disagree with that. I think Kuipers is marginally better though (remember exactly how we managed to win so many games 1-0 during the two championship seasons).

CROSSES - Nothing in it in my opinion, they're both better on crosses than Perry Digweed ever was. I can't split them.

KICKING - Again nothing in it, some people say Roberts kicking is better, but I must say I have seen that he is as likely to punt it straight into touch as Kuipers is. Again, I can't split them.

INSPIRING CONFIDENCE IN THE DEFENSE - This is a no-brainer, the defense always looks more confident when the FDM is bawling at them from his box, and they know he isn't going to go walkabout every game.


So, in summary it is a very tight choice between the two keepers, which I am glad about. But on balance I think Kuipers is the better keeper, just.
 


Curious Orange said:
KICKING - Again nothing in it, some people say Roberts kicking is better, but I must say I have seen that he is as likely to punt it straight into touch as Kuipers is. Again, I can't split them.

ARE YOU SURE?!?! Which Michel Kuipers have you been watching for the last four seasons?!

You also missed out one other area of goalkeeping, distribution. Something Roberts always looks to do is get the team going again from the back, usually with a quick throw or roll out to one of the full-backs. You just KNOW that Kuipers is going to punt the thing 80 yards up the field to nobody in particular.

Agree with mostly everything else you said, but it's because of these two factors that I favour Roberts.
 


Curious Orange

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Jul 5, 2003
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I agree that when Kuipers first joined the club his kicking and distribution was terrible. But this has improved significantly since then. There is no current difference between Kuipers and Roberts in this area. As I said, from what I've seen they are both likely to punt it straight into touch.
 




The Famous Grouse

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:dance: Ben Roberts is class :mexican:
4 every mistake he will make 2 or 3 amazing saves. he is far quicker then MC at coming out and he showed that by stopping that dodgy back pass.
 


b.w.2.

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Jan 8, 2004
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Roberts makes a t least one ridiculous error EVERY game... without fail... if I were a defender, I would not want to play in front of him... Kuipers commands his area and inspires confidence...

They are both exceptionally good shot-stoppers...

Roberts distribution is better, but MIchel has improved no end in this department, for which I admire him...

So, it comes down to whether you prefer someone almost certain to make a schoolboy error, or someone who doesn't kick as well as one might expect...

Sorry, but for me its a no-brainer... I vote for the FDM... to be honest, so do most on here... shame MM doesn't seem to agree... but I'm sure he will come to his senses...
 


JJ McClure

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Jul 7, 2003
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The moment in the second half when Roberts slipped over was not really his fault. It was very wet, and the back pass from Butters was bobbling a lot. He was probably waiting for it to settle to ensure a better kick.
That said he does not seem to inspire confidence in the back line.
It's a tough call but I'd rather have the SAS chef between the sticks.
 




Kinky Gerbil

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Jul 16, 2003
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b.w.2. said:
Roberts makes a t least one ridiculous error EVERY game... without fail... if I were a defender, I would not want to play in front of him... Kuipers commands his area and inspires confidence...

They are both exceptionally good shot-stoppers...

Roberts distribution is better, but MIchel has improved no end in this department, for which I admire him...

So, it comes down to whether you prefer someone almost certain to make a schoolboy error, or someone who doesn't kick as well as one might expect...

Sorry, but for me its a no-brainer... I vote for the FDM... to be honest, so do most on here... shame MM doesn't seem to agree... but I'm sure he will come to his senses...


thank god for most sane brighton fans nsc doesnt pick the side then
 


b.w.2. said:

shame MM doesn't seem to agree... but I'm sure he will come to his senses...

I think I would rather trust the manager more then a few fans on NSC on who was the better keeper. Let's be honest, MM will pick the best 11 as he sees fit. Virgo now back in the squad, Oatway was fantastic last night, Piercy playing well again. No, I have faith in MM's selection process. Kuipers is a good keeper, but Roberts is better at the moment IMHO.
 


Kinky Gerbil

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Curious Orange said:
I agree that when Kuipers first joined the club his kicking and distribution was terrible. But this has improved significantly since then. There is no current difference between Kuipers and Roberts in this area. As I said, from what I've seen they are both likely to punt it straight into touch.

i may remember wrongly but didnt roberts start the move for a goal last night? i remember once kuipers doing this were as roberts does it a lot.
kuipers distribution is an aimlss hoof up the field roberts judges his kicks and mostly throws it out to the full bcaks which jeeps the game flowing.

dont know how anyone can claim roberts distribution is worse or on par with kuipers
 


chips and gravy

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Jan 5, 2004
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Not much in it in my opinion although the defence always looks far more solid with FDM in goal. He marshalls the defence better and there tends to be fewer hairy moments.

I did notice on Saturday that Roberts didn't try any of his dribbling skills. Perhaps MM has taken steps to end BR showing his ball skills!
 




Wilka

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Nov 18, 2003
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Kicking hardly losses you games but Roberts silly mistakes could!

I shit myself everytime the ball goes near him!

Bring back Michel!
 


Yorkie

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Jul 5, 2003
32,367
dahn sarf
I like both keepers. Both have really good qualities and both have weaknesses which have been discussed at length.

Having just watched the video of Saturday, something I hadn't really appreciated before is Robert's speed.

He can really sprint and taking that ball off Lowndes feet was quality.
If Plymouth had scored then the match would have had a different outcome.
 


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