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kinkygerbil said:
The thing with Coco is that you expect mistakes from him in every game now. I'm never 100% confident with him in goal anymore. Atleast when FDM is in goal the worst you expect is some dodgy kicking.
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Ben Roberts
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The thing with Coco is that you expect mistakes from him in every game now. I'm never 100% confident with him in goal anymore. Atleast when FDM is in goal the worst you expect is some dodgy kicking.
elbowpatches
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Roberts looked dodgy in the second half, and not just his slip, he didn't claim crosses enough for me. He didn't have an awful game and although they scored from it, Roberts made a great save from Danny's back header. That said, I would still have FDM in the team, but as others have already said, we are in a fortunate position to have two good keepers.
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The fact that Roberts has played in the Premiership, FA Cup final etc. doesn't count for a great deal.
Did you know that even at the age of 29, he still has only played about 90 league games? What does that tell you about what other managers think of him? He is NOT a bad keeper, it's just that we have a better keeper at the club.
Kuipers is big, strong, confident. He commands his area sublimely, he takes crosses superbly, he is an excellent shot stopper, and he is probably the only member of the team who can give Danny Cullip a bit of verbal.
I respect your points of view kinkygerbil, but I do fear they are slightly misguided.
Did you know that even at the age of 29, he still has only played about 90 league games? What does that tell you about what other managers think of him? He is NOT a bad keeper, it's just that we have a better keeper at the club.
Kuipers is big, strong, confident. He commands his area sublimely, he takes crosses superbly, he is an excellent shot stopper, and he is probably the only member of the team who can give Danny Cullip a bit of verbal.
I respect your points of view kinkygerbil, but I do fear they are slightly misguided.
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honey boy zimba said:
I always said he was dodgy. Mind you I omly saw him for about 45 mins
Even the neutrals I was watching the game with were commenting on size 15 feet, big shoes and squirty flowers. He obviously made an impression.
Dodgy, bring back FDM.
Dodgy, bring back FDM.
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The debate will rage on.
Roberts is a fine shot-stopper, and he's fairly decent on crosses. Its just that his judgement in certain situations is just awful. It was through more luck than judgement that we didn't lose another goal last night (although I don't blame Roberts for the goal they did score).
The incident when he charged off his line to try to get to a ball on the edge of the area was just mental. He ended up trying to jump through two defenders and a Plymouth player 18 yards away from his goal, got nothing on the ball, and only the quick thinking of Mayo and Watson on the line stopped what would have been another howler.
And as for when he slipped...he took an age to line up the back-pass, then slipped over, and instead of just conceding it and letting the ball run out for a corner, he decided to scramble to keep the ball in play and ended up poking it straight into a goalmouth scramble with him off the pitch !
At least we didn't have any loony tunes dribbling around their forwards this time, but he has GOT to cut this crap out of his game. He could be a bloody good keeper, but there's no two ways about it, he gives us far too many "heart in the mouth" moments. If WE'RE shitting ourselves in the stands, imagine what it must be like for the back 4.
Roberts is a fine shot-stopper, and he's fairly decent on crosses. Its just that his judgement in certain situations is just awful. It was through more luck than judgement that we didn't lose another goal last night (although I don't blame Roberts for the goal they did score).
The incident when he charged off his line to try to get to a ball on the edge of the area was just mental. He ended up trying to jump through two defenders and a Plymouth player 18 yards away from his goal, got nothing on the ball, and only the quick thinking of Mayo and Watson on the line stopped what would have been another howler.
And as for when he slipped...he took an age to line up the back-pass, then slipped over, and instead of just conceding it and letting the ball run out for a corner, he decided to scramble to keep the ball in play and ended up poking it straight into a goalmouth scramble with him off the pitch !
At least we didn't have any loony tunes dribbling around their forwards this time, but he has GOT to cut this crap out of his game. He could be a bloody good keeper, but there's no two ways about it, he gives us far too many "heart in the mouth" moments. If WE'RE shitting ourselves in the stands, imagine what it must be like for the back 4.
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Uncle Buck
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Isn't the most memorable things about Roberts playing career the fact that he conceded the quickest goal in a FA Cup final?
Safeway
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I would always pick Roberts ahead of Kuipers.
Last night he had one dodgy moment, when he slipped making the clearance. To say that he should have conceded the corner for me isn't realistic. When he slipped his reaction would have been impulsive. His impulsive reaction to get rid of the ball. Unfortunately it went straight to a Plymouth player and Cullip did well to rescue the situation. However, you can't say it was Roberts' fault for slipping. Conditions were poor and it could just as easily have happened to Kuipers or Flitney. I think the reason he took a while to make the clearance was because he wanted to make sure it was good 'un. Just a shame for him that it backfired.
I had the (mis)fortune to watch last night's game sober and that was the only dodgy moment I can remember. A couple of his kicks may have been poor but that was always going to be the case given the conditions, and anyone who says Kuipers' kicking would have been better really is having a laugh.
As was as handling everything that came his way with confidence, he made a vital interception in the first half, a good save from the header in the second half, and the save from Cullip's header was world class. Can't really knock him for not making the follow-up.
You don't play in the Premier League (and the FA Cup Final) for nothing, and in answer to TLO's point about league appearances, I think you'll find they have been kept down in number more because of injury than performance.
I appreciate Kuipers is and always will be an Albion legend, but for me Roberts is simply a better goalkeeper.
Last night he had one dodgy moment, when he slipped making the clearance. To say that he should have conceded the corner for me isn't realistic. When he slipped his reaction would have been impulsive. His impulsive reaction to get rid of the ball. Unfortunately it went straight to a Plymouth player and Cullip did well to rescue the situation. However, you can't say it was Roberts' fault for slipping. Conditions were poor and it could just as easily have happened to Kuipers or Flitney. I think the reason he took a while to make the clearance was because he wanted to make sure it was good 'un. Just a shame for him that it backfired.
I had the (mis)fortune to watch last night's game sober and that was the only dodgy moment I can remember. A couple of his kicks may have been poor but that was always going to be the case given the conditions, and anyone who says Kuipers' kicking would have been better really is having a laugh.
As was as handling everything that came his way with confidence, he made a vital interception in the first half, a good save from the header in the second half, and the save from Cullip's header was world class. Can't really knock him for not making the follow-up.
You don't play in the Premier League (and the FA Cup Final) for nothing, and in answer to TLO's point about league appearances, I think you'll find they have been kept down in number more because of injury than performance.
I appreciate Kuipers is and always will be an Albion legend, but for me Roberts is simply a better goalkeeper.
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Safeway said:
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Safeway said:
Maybe he shouldn't have conceded the corner. But he should have either been quicker to get the ball away instead of looking like a lemon until he fell over, or kicked it out for a throw in.
To present an independent view, I know a couple of Plymouth fans from Uni who were at the game yesterday. One sent me this text message (word for word):
I was impressed this evening. You've got a quality couple of strikers. Get yourself a decent keeper and noting (sic) will stop you going up
Interesting?
And on the FA Cup front, did you know that in his appearance in the final, Roberts claimed an FA Cup Final record? He conceded the fastest ever FA Cup final goal. He was also in the 'Boro team in the semi's that should have lost to Cheaterfield.
I was impressed this evening. You've got a quality couple of strikers. Get yourself a decent keeper and noting (sic) will stop you going up
Interesting?
And on the FA Cup front, did you know that in his appearance in the final, Roberts claimed an FA Cup Final record? He conceded the fastest ever FA Cup final goal. He was also in the 'Boro team in the semi's that should have lost to Cheaterfield.
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It's nice that we can have the debate, remember a couple of seasons ago when FDM was injured the choice was between Will Packham and Thora Hird in goal, Thora narrowly being given the nod because she was better coming off the line
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To be fair to Roberts, that fastest FA Cup Final goal is a bit of a millstone around Roberts's neck, but that was one HELL of a shot from Di Matteo, it dipped viciously and must have been travelling about 80mph. Its only cos it happened in the first few seconds that people go on about it. If it had happened in the 20th minute or whatever, then it wouldn't have been remembered so much.
I take your points Safeway, but the scariest moment by far was when we ended up having to do a goal-line clearance after Roberts decided to charge to the edge of the area to try and punch away something that Cullip largely had under control. The FDM just DOES NOT DO THAT, largely because he commands the area better, and trusts the players in front of him to deal with things.
Its these rushes of blood from Roberts that can be so costly. He's got so much ability as a keeper, but its just his judgement that I worry about.
I take your points Safeway, but the scariest moment by far was when we ended up having to do a goal-line clearance after Roberts decided to charge to the edge of the area to try and punch away something that Cullip largely had under control. The FDM just DOES NOT DO THAT, largely because he commands the area better, and trusts the players in front of him to deal with things.
Its these rushes of blood from Roberts that can be so costly. He's got so much ability as a keeper, but its just his judgement that I worry about.
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Fran Hagarty
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dwayne said:
To quote from your own signature: " shut the f*ck up you mindless drone!
dwayne said:
I have to agree with Dwayne here too. i am not saying kuipers is perfect, his kicking is often dodgy and he makes the odd error. However Roberts makes at LEAST one major HOWLER every game.
After every single match without fail something is posted on here about Roberts, how many more times is he gonna go for a wander before people realise he is a liability !
How would people feel if he had a walkabout at cardiff in the playoff final ?
Kuipers' difficulty in kicking long could easily turn in our favour. Instead of the keeper constantly hoofing the ball up the middle to present a 60/40 header with the defender favourite to win, we could encourage Kuipers to roll the ball out to one of the full backs and build the play up from the back. You know, like the good old days
It's all about opinions I know. But, what have the anti-Michel brigade got against the bloke? He's Brighton through and through. If I was Mr. McGhee, I'd get Roberts in, tell him he's dropped until Michel has a bad run of form or gets injured. I'd remind him of the numerous bollockings I'd given him after each of his comedy performances and that would that.
Fran Hagarty
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C1 BHA said:It's all about opinions I know. But, what have the anti-Michel brigade got against the bloke? He's Brighton through and through. If I was Mr. McGhee, I'd get Roberts in, tell him he's dropped until Michel has a bad run of form or gets injured. I'd remind him of the numerous bollockings I'd given him after each of his comedy performances and that would that.
As I've said before, I've nothing against Kuipers - he's a good keeper. I just happen to prefer Roberts, simple as that. I'm sick of people going on about his shortcomings. If McGhee thinks he's the better keeper then I trust his judgment, after all, he knows the players better and watches them more than we do.