Barry George Not Guilty

[simmo]

I would say that is what makes its TOTALLY unjustifiable.

I am not so sure about that.

I think there are some cases where the evidence is so overwhelming it is absolutely crystal clear that a person is a killer. It is not so in George's case and in my opinion he should not have been convicted in the first place.

In Huntley's case the police showed that one of the girls had been bleeding in his bathroom. Where the area that the girls bodys were dumped he knew very well, also that one of the girls phones was switched off for the last time right outside Huntley's house. Huntley killed those girls 100%.

There are others as well that absolutely catergorically murdered and in some cases mass murdered.

Dennis Neilsen killed 10+ men in his house, he eventually got caught because their remains were blocking the shared drains of the very building he lived in.

There is no reason why either should not be executed. The same with Peter Sutcliffe.

 

[The Large One]

This is the English legal systems cogs turning in a way which intrigues me.

He has been let off, but almost certainly did it - but has the right to be defended and let off if the evidence is not there to convict- the law enforcement agencies have to evolve with this news.


10 guilty walking the streets or one innocent banged up for life......i know which i would prefer....

On what basis do you hold this contention?

 

[southstandandy]

Common sence seems to have prevailed here - many people in my office this afternoon think that the gun residue was pretty suspicious, but at the end of the day there was absolutely no solid evidence against him other than he was an odd ball. The gun residue, even though it apparently matched, was not enough to convict and however sorry you feel for Dando's family the police have to have more of a case to convict - will he now get massive compensation?

 

[readingstockport]

On what basis do you hold this contention?

He probably has the certain knowledge of someone who knows little or nothign about the case and has done little or no background reading on the case outside of what the tabloids have reported. Just a guess on my part here.

 

[The Large One]

Common sence seems to have prevailed here - many people in my office this afternoon think that the gun residue was pretty suspicious, but at the end of the day there was absolutely no solid evidence against him other than he was an odd ball. The gun residue, even though it apparently matched, was not enough to convict and however sorry you feel for Dando's family the police have to have more of a case to convict - will he now get massive compensation?

People in my office, however, are appalled at this verdict and are convinced he will not just go out and do it again.

 

[Juan Albion]

I am not so sure about that.

I think there are some cases where the evidence is so overwhelming it is absolutely crystal clear that a person is a killer. It is not so in George's case and in my opinion he should not have been convicted in the first place.

In Huntley's case the police showed that one of the girls had been bleeding in his bathroom. Where the area that the girls bodys were dumped he knew very well, also that one of the girls phones was switched off for the last time right outside Huntley's house. Huntley killed those girls 100%.

There are others as well that absolutely catergorically murdered and in some cases mass murdered.

Dennis Neilsen killed 10+ men in his house, he eventually got caught because their remains were blocking the shared drains of the very building he lived in.

There is no reason why either should not be executed. The same with Peter Sutcliffe.

But surely ALL guilty verdicts are because the facts have been proven 'beyond a reasonable doubt'?

Are you suggesting two levels of 'beyond a reasonable doubt'? Like 'yup, he's done up like a kipper' and 'well we're not totally 100% convinced but let's bang him up anyway'?

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

I seem to remember that a Serb hitman theory was linked to this murder due to the NATO bombing of Serbia

 

[Exmouth Seagull]

It was a well executed professional hit, there are plenty of Crimewatch crooks with a motive. George never should have been convicted, he was just the local weirdo, I bet theres an oddball with a celeb obbsesion in every community.

I hope George does a Colin Stagg and offers himself up for lie detector tests to silence the doubters, Stagg did exactly that, then later DNA evidence finally cleared him completely, a lot more people thought Stagg was guilty in comparrison to George.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

This case smacks of the bad old days, where the police would decide who they wanted to find guilty and then fit the evidence to match the theory.

 

[ben andrews' girlfriend]

This case smacks of the bad old days, where the police would decide who they wanted to find guilty and then fit the evidence to match the theory.

And to find someone who isn't clever enough to defend himself.

I feel really sorry for him, this was a really high profile murder case, and he isn't going to be able to get back into society well after 8 years in prison.

 

[readingstockport]

The poor sods has never 'been in society' anyway BAG. He's got an IQ in the bottom 5% or something and had never had any kind of real job. Just the kind of person to find the time, money and dedication to learn how to carry out a crystal clean hit - not.

 

[simmo]

But surely ALL guilty verdicts are because the facts have been proven 'beyond a reasonable doubt'?

Are you suggesting two levels of 'beyond a reasonable doubt'? Like 'yup, he's done up like a kipper' and 'well we're not totally 100% convinced but let's bang him up anyway'?

In all cases there are differing levels of evidence that are used to convict, all trials are different. In this case as I have said already in my opinion George should not have been convicted.

However, in many cases, specifically in the cases of serial/mass murderers the evidence is so overwhelming e.g Nielsen, Sutcliffe the defendant's actual defence is that they caused the offence by reasons of insanity. They do this not because they are insane, but because the evidence against them is absolutely overwheleming.

This guy that killed all the prostitutes in Ipswich is also as guilty as hell, a bit of his carpet from his car footwell was found in the hair of one of the girls. Also 100% guilty was Harold Shipman.

I can, just by reading what they print in the newspapers of the transcripts of proceedings see just how guilty someone is, it will be up to a jury to decide guilty or not guilty as always, but it will be up to the judge to decide whether a death sentence will follow and this will depend on how completely satisfied he is with the verdict. He doesn't have to authorise the death sentence you know he can give life imprisonment if he wants to.

If a death sentence is given by a judge, that will be automatically reviewed after a cooling down period, to let any hysteria subside, of say 6-12 months by a higher court/law lords. If it is the correct decision then execution takes place.

This of course won't happen because of the EC so it is all hypothetical.

 

[Storer68]

Bloody hell, I didn't know about that

*jumpstoconclusion*

Sounds like she pissed off one too many people on crime watch then.

But why her and not that twat Nick Owen (a well known Luton Town fan)

 

[Juan Albion]

I can, just by reading what they print in the newspapers of the transcripts of proceedings see just how guilty someone is,

I can't believe you even wrote that. (Surely a case for more than two smileys!)

 

[simmo]

I can't believe you even wrote that. (Surely a case for more than two smileys!)

Look if people are murdered, someone did it. Therefore someone killed these people.

If you read court proceedings, which I do, there is certain evidence that is catergorically overwhelming i.e the remains of the 10 people that Dennis Nielsen killed were found blocking his drains. I think it would also have been safe to assume that Fred West would have been convicted as well. Shipman's patients went to him and they didn't come out of his surgery alive.

I think I am safe to assume that all of these man are guilty. Or do you disagree and think that they are innocent?

 

[simmo]

I can't believe you even wrote that. (Surely a case for more than two smileys!)

These are transcripts of actual proceedings as well, by the stenographer. Not a journo's slant.

 

[Storer68]

This is the English legal systems cogs turning in a way which intrigues me.

He has been let off, but almost certainly did it - but has the right to be defended and let off if the evidence is not there to convict- the law enforcement agencies have to evolve with this news.


10 guilty walking the streets or one innocent banged up for life......i know which i would prefer....

I know what you mean..

Magna carta, Haebeus Corpus, Trial By Jury, the Presumption of innocence, the Human Rights act, the Bill of Rights, The United Nations universal declaration of human rights, the European Convention on Human Rights....... they are a real bugger to a good lynching!

 

[Storer68]

There is no reason why either should not be executed. The same with Peter Sutcliffe.

One good reason is that the law does not permit it.

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[Juan Albion]

These are transcripts of actual proceedings as well, by the stenographer. Not a journo's slant.

A fraction of them maybe, with whatever slant the journo put on them, consciously or subconsciously, through his/her decision to include or exclude.

 

[simmo]

One good reason is that the law does not permit it.

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I did actually put at the end of that same message the following

This of course won't happen because of the EC so it is all hypothetical.