Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

[User removed 4]

Can you remember how 'efficient' the old gas board was and how long it used to take you get a phone sorted out,for instance.
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I make you right there mate , always took ages to get my phone sorted whenever I phoned the gas board, they never seemed to understand why I was phoning them !



Sorry mate , couldn't help myself !

 

[BadFish]

Yes, i agree. I just can not understand how you would have to about 39 years old now to have even seen the last year of Thatchers reign, even then you would have only just left school. To be affected by the policies that some hate, you would have to be about 47 years old. If it was the older generation and those affected, then i could understand, but most pictured are barely out of their teens.
I do not agree with a state paid funeral, but to perhaps have to witness unrest on the day of Thatchers funeral, from some people born in the early 90's seems wrong.

Thatchers policies are still in place today. She changed the way the world works. For better or worse is clearly debatable but as has been mentioned over and over little has been done to reverse her changes.

It doesn't matter how old we are we have all been effected by the changes she made in the world.

 

[BadFish]

I make you right there mate , always took ages to get my phone sorted whenever I phoned the gas board, they never seemed to understand why I was phoning them !



Sorry mate , couldn't help myself !

 

[BadFish]

Hmm. I'm not sure. It's OK, and indeed very important, that young people should be involved in acts of remembrance concerning the world wars, the holocaust, Hiroshima, etc. even though they were not there. So I'm not convinced they shouldn't be involved in this (though I wouldn't compare Thatcher's doings with those events). Its all just a question of the manner in which it is done, and being fallible humans, some people will just get it wrong.

Yup

 

[GNF on Tour]

I daresay these lot photographed this week celebrating Thatchers death, will probably be out again for the funeral. Spot the ones that were of an age to remember/born when Thatcher was in power.

So bloody what? What does sit matter how old they are? I feel happy when I recall the death of Stalin or Hitler or Genghis Khan and I'm too young to remember them.
I wish people would stop banging on about age - it means absolutely nothing.

 

[BadFish]

So bloody what? What does sit matter how old they are? I feel happy when I recall the death of Stalin or Hitler or Genghis Khan and I'm too young to remember them.
I wish people would stop banging on about age - it means absolutely nothing.

The depth of feeling this woman inspires in people is truly incredible. I am finding it quite inspiring that there is still passion for politics. Maybe there could be some real change in the way the world operates it's governments.

 

[GNF on Tour]

The depth of feeling this woman inspires in people is truly incredible. I am finding it quite inspiring that there is still passion for politics. Maybe there could be some real change in the way the world operates it's governments.

Agree. Two good things are happening:

1 - there is fresh debate about political values stretching across allegances and age-groups, this is good.
2 - the old bat is dead, this is also good.

 

[BadFish]

Agree. Two good things are happening:

1 - there is fresh debate about political values stretching across allegances and age-groups, this is good.
2 - the old bat is dead, this is also good.

I am not sure her being dead really makes much difference to anything. Thatcherism is alive and well which is a bad thing.

Was has struck me through these debates though is how many people of both sides of the political football pitch agree that we are the voters are not being represented by anyone. Everyone seems to agree that those in power rule for themselves and their sponsors and their cronies.

Now we just have to work out what to do about it!

 

[Silk]

I am not sure her being dead really makes much difference to anything. Thatcherism is alive and well which is a bad thing.

Was has struck me through these debates though is how many people of both sides of the political football pitch agree that we are the voters are not being represented by anyone. Everyone seems to agree that those in power rule for themselves and their sponsors and their cronies.

Now we just have to work out what to do about it!

Well some people have been doing something, occupy etc. Then along come the coppers. Too often, peaceful protests seem to be violently curtailed by the fuzz.

 

[BadFish]

Well some people have been doing something, occupy etc. Then along come the coppers. Too often, peaceful protests seem to be violently curtailed by the fuzz.

Good point, I have been down to the occupy Melbourne protests and have nothing but respect for those people. There are nothing like their representation in the press. It is an effective strategy to send in the police to ruffle a few feather and then present the protesters as unsociable, unwashed scum. It is a great shame because there are some good people involved doing some great things for people.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

One thing I completely disagree with is the cost of this funeral. There was no need. Nobody in my family liked thatcher or her party, in fact I rightly remember my grandma going mental and throwing stuff at the TV screen everytime she appeared on her TV. The facts are this should have been a private ceremony for family and friends only, there was no need to spend 8 million pounds of public money on it, it has gone completely over the top. Its like most things in this fing things country now, money is spent, wasted on the wrong things. Thatcher may hold a place in the heart of people like Cameron and his buddies, but their are millions of people where they don't feel any connection at all.

 

[WATFORD zero]

How about Mark and Carol set up and publicise a funeral account and everyone who wants to donate can. They then make up the difference/take the profits. Everyone wins and no state intervention.

It's what she would have wanted.

 

[GNF on Tour]

Wrist injury not connected in any way to Thatcher’s death, insists Ed Miliband?

 

[ALBION28]

Such is our modern world .

 

[Wozza]

I'll not state my stance on this, but here's another viewpoint on maggies passing. What are your views on this "campaign"

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Is it "Wear red" because the Labour Party organised it? (Funeral plans started in 2006)

 

[W.C.]

David Schneider's twitter account is definitely worth a follow

Twitter / davidschneider: Worried about the disrespect ...

 

[Moshe Gariani]

"Part of the legacy of Margaret Thatcher's administrations in the 1970s and 1980s is the most restrictive anti-union laws in the EU. Another part is the unprecedented levels of inequality in the UK since 1945 that have worsened under both Conservative and Unionist, and under Labour governments, and under the current Con-Dem Government. A third is the political strategy of government by division, from 'the enemy within' rhetoric of the then Prime Minister that targeted the miners and all trade unionists in the 1980s, to the demonisation of those on disability or welfare benefits today, and the use of the law and of the physical power of the state to repress protest and opposition.

For these reasons, the Brighton and Hove Trades Council (which brings together trade union branches in the City) decided last week to call a demonstration for tomorrow (Wednesday 17th at 6pm) to express opposition to this legacy. This is the day that Mrs. Thatcher will be buried in a quasi-state funeral with full military honours, at a cost in excess of £10 million, and that Big Ben will be silenced for the duration of the funeral.

If there are members who would like to express their opposition to this legacy, or to this expense, or to both, the Trades Council protest is at the Clock Tower at 18.00 on Wednesday. For those with retro wardrobes, 1970s dress (red in colour preferably) is, we understand, recommended."

 

[maltaseagull]

Today's housing market - both rental and sales - is directly linked to the damage she wrecked on it. I am among I suspect many who could not afford to buy the property I live in if I was in my 20's again and rents in London and elsewhere are an obscenity.

Sorry for being late in response to this but was away without internet access. I agree that the housing situation is awful.
I have two comments:
1. Would anyone else have taken on the power of the trade unions who tried to run the country rather than look after their members? We would have a socialist utopia now if she hadn't.
2. Why didn't Tony Blair and New Labour sort it out in their time (They had as much time in office as she did)

She was not a perfect PM and I am sure adversely affected many people. However, any one that is rejoicing at her death is a sick individual.And as for those children posing for the socialist worker photos that's even worse.

 

[SK1NT]

From the Beeb;

She will not have a state funeral but will be accorded the same status as Princess Diana and the Queen Mother.

No, she's not. At least get the facts correct...

No, she isn't.

Well i don't know about you guys, but that looked like a state funeral in all but name...

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Well i don't know about you guys, but that looked like a state funeral in all but name...

Isn't that precisely the problem.

To get a state funeral you would have to have parliamentary approval, which was probably easy for Churchill because he led a united country through a horrendous 5 or 6 years to victory and enjoyed fairly (but not totally) unanimous support.

They did as much as they could get away with, which did not need to be approved by parliament. It struck me as a blatantly party political exercise.

I for one, as a fairly reasonable 59 year old who lived through the Thatcher years in relatively comfortable Hampshire knew that I would not ever support her from the moment she misquoted Francis of Assisi on the day she moved in but, to be fair to the lady, she did not want a state funeral anyway..