Barber cools optimism on loan striker

[martin tyler]

this had crossed my mind several times only on a shorter time scale.

Bloom has always states he would want the club to stay with his family. However miney talks and if he could pocket a load then it is a possability

 

[Mo Gosfield]

sounds like we are not getting a forward and if that's the case the midfield and others will have to step up and score the goals until leo and others come back

Fat chance. No one can head the ball in a forward position or hit a barn-door at two paces.

 

[Pavilionaire]

I was wondering where all the negativity on NSC went......and now its back again

I assume everyone who is moaning knows what it is like to find players for a football club. It isnt just "Hes a striker, lets get him on loan to us" its a hell of a lot more work than that. You need to thoroughly scout them so we dont end up with another Billy Paynter, see if they will fit into our system, ask the parent club if we can loan them, agree terms and only then can it be pushed through, before a medical of course. We went through most of those stages with Obika and nearly all of them with this other striker before Oscar said no.

We have another week to get one in chill until about Friday night, then panic. Besides, has anyone actually thought that our target may actually be involved in International action this weekend (U21 or Senior) ?

Chill? We've just been stuffed at home by Forest, a team that finished below us last season but conducting business like they are deadly serious about promotion this term.

We've dropped 2 points against Sheff Wed because of the striker shortage, who knows what might have happened vs Forest with a bit of quality up front?

The most worrying thing for me is the "lure" of playing for ex-Barcelona star Oscar does not seem as attractive as the lure of playing for Gus. By and large, the British loans Gus brought in were unspectacular, i.e Paynter, Vokes, but he brought in some cracking Latin lads. I'm surprised not one "Oscar man" has yet to be brought in. Isn't that the point of having a "flair" coach from Barcelona?

Tooting Gull put out the hypothetical question "If Malky Mackay became available would you sack Oscar and get the Cardiff man in?". On the face of it you'd say no, but if we're simply going to bring in the likes of Ward, Andrews, Conway, i.e steady British Isles players, then you probably would be better off with Mackay after all.

To my mind you let Oscar and his team bring in something they know. The decision to let Vicente go looks even stranger in the light of our lack of acitvity in the transfer market.

Gus was right, we clearly HAVE hit the ceiling with spending, in which case we should have sold Bridcutt, re-signed Bridge and bought in a couple of decent strikers.

 

[sant andreu]

The club shouldn't be trying to get a striker.

They should be trying to get two, or three strikers. If we get one in, and he is even half competent, everyone will just be shitting themselves about him getting injured too.

 

[RM-Taylor]

So you would be quite happy with us signing Craig Davies on loan who under the agreement is guaranteed a starting place while he is here ?

Least we can all give Barndoor some abuse again

 

[chimneys]

First off, having been involved in running a football club which was built from scratch upto the point that I've secured over £17000 of external funding over 5 years to invest in new initiatives AND have with others made it into one of the largest and most succesful youth soccer clubs in Sussex within 7 years, I think that I'm in probably a better position to comment on "running a club" than most on here.

You've alluded to the incorrect assumption that "all the infrastructure costs" and the "playing budget" come from separate sources although which in a sense is correct from the club's internal accounting perspective, but it is not on the whole accurate.

The overall costs for running the club will be decided annually and at this point, the Club's board decide on the money it allocates to various departments responsible for the running and administration of the club. At this point, you are correct that the funds are separated into "pots". However, the overall budget for the club comes from one central repository of funds.

Your flippant comment about writing numbers on the back of a fag packet, deserves the contempt that I will give it as no one is naive enough to be suggesting that's what happens.

I'm not an accountant and I'm guessing that you're not either and so in the same week that the club announce a £55 Million pound commercial venture, the CEO then comes out to say "we are struggling to afford a loan player" it says to me and I'm sure others, that the overall administation of the clubs finances seem to be contradictive of each other, especially when the Chairman and the Director of football says effectively says "we are going to sign someone".

In all fairness, it's not Paul Barber's responsibility to be talking about the playing side of things. His job is to run the club as a company.I would say that the "playing budget" as you have mentioned seems to go up and down depending on who is telling the story that the club want to tell us...Again, I will not only use the Van Dijk saga as an example, but also Tony Bloom's post Gus/pre Oscar interview when he said we would have a squad capable of challenging in the play off positions.

Regarding my initial point...The club MUST have known about the hotel plans at the end of the season when they decided upon their funding for the 2013/14 season, the Board would have allocated a budget to the "playing side" and also the "commercial development" side and so my point is that why are BHA FC, as a company, looking to invest such a vast sum of money into a project which is peripheral to the success of the club (without also saying where the money is coming from) and which will take a number of years to become profitable, when there are clearly other areas at the club which require funding and financial support, such as the "playing budget" which in itself and once a team has achieved Premier League status can become more cost effective at that point compared to the same at a Championship / League 1 club.

You may run a football club, but you clearly don't understand how commercial property development works!!

The capital outlay for the hotel build will be covered by the rent under the lease the owners agree with the hotel operator (Travelodge/Premier Inn/Hilton or whoever) on a long term (probably 25 or 30 year) basis. The same will be true for the student accomm. They wouldn't build either without prelets in place. Will pretty certainly be able to get bank funding to cover a good deal of the build cost if TB so chooses, based upon such prelets.

So a complete red herring to link/compare this commercial development project with the playing budget.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Clubs should be queuing up to loan us strikers. We're a veritable "Striker Hospital" having successfully rehabilitated the likes of Chris Wood, Darius Henderson, Craig Davies, Sam Vokes.

 

[portslade seagull]

Empty words I think, I believe it when it happens

 

[brightonmark1234]

Empty words I think, I believe it when it happens

same old story

 

[Dave the OAP]

FFP?

 

[Lord Bracknell]

it will be interesting to see how many season tickets are sold and how much Tony has to fork out pay the bills following a season in the 3rd division

Good grief! We have more than twice as many points as the team in 22nd place and you're already talking about 3rd division football.

 

[The Andy Naylor Fan Club]

Bloom has always states he would want the club to stay with his family. However miney talks and if he could pocket a load then it is a possability

Who's Miney? What is he going to pocket a load of?

 

[Zebedee]

Frankly, the fact that we don't seem to be able to attract one, let alone two, loan strikers is becoming embarrassing. Are we really trying to get one in at all? I struggle to believe that there is nobody out there who would be suitable for our means and is better than what we've got, regardless of all the spin/doctrine. Can we just get on with it please? We only need Barnes to get injured now and we'll really be well and truly screwed and the club will only have themselves to blame if we then slip into the relegation zone. And I'm not interested in the FFP excuse - two loan strikers for 3 months would hardly break the bank. That said, if they're are as piss poor as Conway and Agustein have been perhaps we should keep our money in our pocket.

Yours despairingly...

 

[Billy the Fish]

Ok , let's have a sensible and as you call it a "Valid" debate without going down the route of the childish comments you made, which really does not help your argument.

First off, having been involved in running a football club which was built from scratch upto the point that I've secured over £17000 of external funding over 5 years to invest in new initiatives AND have with others made it into one of the largest and most succesful youth soccer clubs in Sussex within 7 years, I think that I'm in probably a better position to comment on "running a club" than most on here.

You've alluded to the incorrect assumption that "all the infrastructure costs" and the "playing budget" come from separate sources although which in a sense is correct from the club's internal accounting perspective, but it is not on the whole accurate.

The overall costs for running the club will be decided annually and at this point, the Club's board decide on the money it allocates to various departments responsible for the running and administration of the club. At this point, you are correct that the funds are separated into "pots". However, the overall budget for the club comes from one central repository of funds.

Your flippant comment about writing numbers on the back of a fag packet, deserves the contempt that I will give it as no one is naive enough to be suggesting that's what happens.

I'm not an accountant and I'm guessing that you're not either and so in the same week that the club announce a £55 Million pound commercial venture, the CEO then comes out to say "we are struggling to afford a loan player" it says to me and I'm sure others, that the overall administation of the clubs finances seem to be contradictive of each other, especially when the Chairman and the Director of football says effectively says "we are going to sign someone".

In all fairness, it's not Paul Barber's responsibility to be talking about the playing side of things. His job is to run the club as a company.I would say that the "playing budget" as you have mentioned seems to go up and down depending on who is telling the story that the club want to tell us...Again, I will not only use the Van Dijk saga as an example, but also Tony Bloom's post Gus/pre Oscar interview when he said we would have a squad capable of challenging in the play off positions.

Regarding my initial point...The club MUST have known about the hotel plans at the end of the season when they decided upon their funding for the 2013/14 season, the Board would have allocated a budget to the "playing side" and also the "commercial development" side and so my point is that why are BHA FC, as a company, looking to invest such a vast sum of money into a project which is peripheral to the success of the club (without also saying where the money is coming from) and which will take a number of years to become profitable, when there are clearly other areas at the club which require funding and financial support, such as the "playing budget" which in itself and once a team has achieved Premier League status can become more cost effective at that point compared to the same at a Championship / League 1 club.

One final point I would mention is a possible theory I have and is something which would explain the manner in which the club is being run and that is this...Is the club being turned into a marketable & saleable oppurtunity for possible financial investors. I would not be surprised if, looking at the likes of Reading, Cardiff & Man City that BHA FC will be sold to foreign investors over the next 5 - 10 years and that the processes which are being streamlines behind the scenes now are being done so to make the club a more commercially viable business oppurtunity for external investors.

Fair play, I'm happy to just ignore each other's flippant and childish comments

I know what you're saying about the pot being the same at source, but if the some of the money in that pot is straight out of Tony's bank account and is only in there for the purpose of building infastructure then it's never going to be available to the playing budget. They can't start skimming money off for players wages every time we have an injury crisis, you're correct that I'm not an accountant but I can see that would be pretty bad business.

The bit I've highlighted is absolutely the crux of the matter, but I think you're forgetting that they are now signed up to FFP rules so the playing budget is going to be an exact figure dependant on revenue. At the end of the day you've just got to trust the board to have the club's best interests at heart and run it how they see fit. Sometimes they might get it wrong, but there's nothing we can do about it apart from vote with our feet. Constantly bleating on NSC isn't going to help anyone.

 

[Willy Dangle]

Oh go on then I'll play. You finally broke me.

 

[Peteinblack]

I'm really bored of this relative lack of activity on the transfer and loan front, not just in recent weeks, but over the summer as a whole.

I can't remember when I last felt as underwhelmed or unenthusiastic at this stage of the season; it just feels like we're going to be treading water this year.

I really hope I'm proved wrong.

 

[LamieRobertson]

I'm really bored of this relative lack of activity on the transfer and loan front, not just in recent weeks, but over the summer as a whole.

I can't remember when I last felt as underwhelmed or unenthusiastic at this stage of the season; it just feels like we're going to be treading water this year.

I really hope I'm proved wrong.

Thats football..the highs and the troughs

 

[Napper]

Stick to the business barber . Playing side not your remit

 

[algie]

I'm really bored of this relative lack of activity on the transfer and loan front, not just in recent weeks, but over the summer as a whole.

I can't remember when I last felt as underwhelmed or unenthusiastic at this stage of the season; it just feels like we're going to be treading water this year.

I really hope I'm proved wrong.

Exactly how i feel about it.

Don't worry though as we have Barker and Dickenson who will solve all our problems according to some on here.

 

[Dave the OAP]

Thats football..the highs and the troughs

Peaks and troughs