Barber cools optimism on loan striker

[Giraffe]

Stop drip feeding bollocks and tell us when something actually HAPPENS you useless tossers.

This in bucket loads. Dick Knight used to make this mistake all the time, I thought the Bloom/Barber combination was better than that.

 

[Acker79]

Here's a novel idea...How about a loan striker that does work out...hang on, that's a bit risky getting a player in as maybe he won't work out...silly me

Who knows if it will work out until you try it....Andrews/Ward..loan deals..seem fine...Conway...not so sure (early days yet)...loan or sign its always a gamble...perhaps this should all have been sorted 2 months ago

I said may not work. You don't know when making a signing that they will provide what you want, so it doesn't matter who you sign, there is no guarantee they will work. Do you think we expected paynter to be such a failure when we signed him? Or Dobbie? Or Harley? When we signed them we thought they would add to us. They didn't. It's not a novel idea to sign someone who will work out, but even the player who does work out was a risk of not working out.

I'm not saying don't sign someone in case he doesn't work out, I'm saying in a straight choice between something that improves the long term health and financial clout of the club or a short term placement who at this stage is likely to be someone not good enough for his current team, or a youth player who is looking for playing experience so may or may not improve our squad, I'd go with the hotel.

What we're left with up front now simply does not work, worth the risk, surely?

It worked v Bolton (coming from behind for a win for the first time in over two years). It worked well enough to take points off qpr, which not many teams have done this season. Are we going to storm the division wi what we have available? No, but I doubt a loan signing will turn us into that force. I actually doubt an entirely fit squad would.

A loan striker won't make Greer more accurate with his passing. The team won't start finding each other with their passes. Lualua won't suddenly start looking to see who is available. Lopez won't start putting in great free kicks.

We need the players we have to start performing even close to as well as they can. When they do, what we have is fine.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I doubt many have still got any hope of a p/o place. Last week it seemed like most were happy with having a consolidation season in this division.

But will Bloom be? He's on record as expecting a play-off place. Unlikely I think but could still happen. Remember Bolton came late last season and just missed out by a whisker.

 

[Acker79]

But will Bloom be? He's on record as expecting a play-off place. Unlikely I think but could still happen. Remember Bolton came late last season and just missed out by a whisker.

He said that in front of a room full of fans who wanted to hear it. He seemed sheepish and quite aware that Oscar was sat next to him and didn't want to put pressure on him. I imagine he is far more reasonable about expectations, especially given the injuries and the transition from gus to Oscar.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

He said that in front of a room full of fans who wanted to hear it. He seemed sheepish and quite aware that Oscar was sat next to him and didn't want to put pressure on him. I imagine he is far more reasonable about expectations, especially given the injuries and the transition from gus to Oscar.

Yes but it was still a public meeting & a public statement of intent. Would be interesting to hear if he did still stood by it or if really the cllub have written off the season already.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

But will Bloom be? He's on record as expecting a play-off place. Unlikely I think but could still happen. Remember Bolton came late last season and just missed out by a whisker.

True, we're far from out of it and it's still early, but without a sign if having a strong team on the horizon, I think it will be too late once we get a reasonable number if players back to make us competitive. But what do I know, 12 games out last year I didn't think we'd make it either.

 

[symyjym]

A loan striker won't make Greer more accurate with his passing. The team won't start finding each other with their passes. Lualua won't suddenly start looking to see who is available. Lopez won't start putting in great free kicks.

We need the players we have to start performing even close to as well as they can. When they do, what we have is fine.

By enlarge I agree with this.

Once the team are better rehearsed throughout a new signing will fit in smoothly, whereas now I don’t think a new player will perform miracles without the team performing 100% behind him. It’s not as though Van Percie or Michu are available.

 

[Urchin]

It still frustrates me when I see Barbers interview, when he says prices have gone up so that the budget will be the same as last season and so that we abide by the FFP rules at the same time. He then said at a later date the budget was bigger than last season. So where has my money gone?

 

[glasfryn]

It still frustrates me when I see Barbers interview, when he says prices have gone up so that the budget will be the same as last season and so that we abide by the FFP rules at the same time. He then said at a later date the budget was bigger than last season. So where has my money gone?

I have been asking this question for months
biggest crowds
franchises coming out of your ears
yet Doncaster with their budget can manage to get a striker (albeit now injured) who CAN score goals
frustrating is not the word
its all look what we are doing
but nothing is happening on the field of play to ensure our status in the championship
I really do hope they know what they are doing ......

 

[brightonmark1234]

sounds like we are not getting a forward and if that's the case the midfield and others will have to step up and score the goals until leo and others come back

 

[Bozza]

sounds like we are not getting a forward and if that's the case the midfield and others will have to step up and score the goals until leo and others come back

No it doesn't.

 

[supaseagull]

You keep coming out with stuff like this, and I accept there's a valid point in there somewhere but when you write things like I've highlighted it just shows that you don't understand the real world and probably think running a club is the same as playing football manager. All the infastructure costs will come out of a separate budget to the playing one. The playing budget has obviously been decided with FFP in mind and is directly related to our running costs, without seeing the numbers it's impossible to make a statement about what is right. Remember there's some top accountantants on our board and this is a multi million pound business, they didn't just write some numbers on the back of a fag packet.

Like I said, there's a valid debate to be had about the playing budget, FFP, stadium costs etc. but if I'm having that debate with you I might as well start discussing my mortgage payments and how much I spend on food with my 5 year old nephew. It would be a similar conversation.

Ok , let's have a sensible and as you call it a "Valid" debate without going down the route of the childish comments you made, which really does not help your argument.

First off, having been involved in running a football club which was built from scratch upto the point that I've secured over £17000 of external funding over 5 years to invest in new initiatives AND have with others made it into one of the largest and most succesful youth soccer clubs in Sussex within 7 years, I think that I'm in probably a better position to comment on "running a club" than most on here.

You've alluded to the incorrect assumption that "all the infrastructure costs" and the "playing budget" come from separate sources although which in a sense is correct from the club's internal accounting perspective, but it is not on the whole accurate.

The overall costs for running the club will be decided annually and at this point, the Club's board decide on the money it allocates to various departments responsible for the running and administration of the club. At this point, you are correct that the funds are separated into "pots". However, the overall budget for the club comes from one central repository of funds.

Your flippant comment about writing numbers on the back of a fag packet, deserves the contempt that I will give it as no one is naive enough to be suggesting that's what happens.

I'm not an accountant and I'm guessing that you're not either and so in the same week that the club announce a £55 Million pound commercial venture, the CEO then comes out to say "we are struggling to afford a loan player" it says to me and I'm sure others, that the overall administation of the clubs finances seem to be contradictive of each other, especially when the Chairman and the Director of football says effectively says "we are going to sign someone".

In all fairness, it's not Paul Barber's responsibility to be talking about the playing side of things. His job is to run the club as a company.I would say that the "playing budget" as you have mentioned seems to go up and down depending on who is telling the story that the club want to tell us...Again, I will not only use the Van Dijk saga as an example, but also Tony Bloom's post Gus/pre Oscar interview when he said we would have a squad capable of challenging in the play off positions.

Regarding my initial point...The club MUST have known about the hotel plans at the end of the season when they decided upon their funding for the 2013/14 season, the Board would have allocated a budget to the "playing side" and also the "commercial development" side and so my point is that why are BHA FC, as a company, looking to invest such a vast sum of money into a project which is peripheral to the success of the club (without also saying where the money is coming from) and which will take a number of years to become profitable, when there are clearly other areas at the club which require funding and financial support, such as the "playing budget" which in itself and once a team has achieved Premier League status can become more cost effective at that point compared to the same at a Championship / League 1 club.

One final point I would mention is a possible theory I have and is something which would explain the manner in which the club is being run and that is this...Is the club being turned into a marketable & saleable oppurtunity for possible financial investors. I would not be surprised if, looking at the likes of Reading, Cardiff & Man City that BHA FC will be sold to foreign investors over the next 5 - 10 years and that the processes which are being streamlines behind the scenes now are being done so to make the club a more commercially viable business oppurtunity for external investors.

 

[marshy68]

One final point I would mention is a possible theory I have and is something which would explain the manner in which the club is being run and that is this...Is the club being turned into a marketable & saleable oppurtunity for possible financial investors. I would not be surprised if, looking at the likes of Reading, Cardiff & Man City that BHA FC will be sold to foreign investors over the next 5 - 10 years and that the processes which are being streamlines behind the scenes now are being done so to make the club a more commercially viable business oppurtunity for external investors.

I do hope so then maybe I can be promoted to director of football and I will get a freaking loan striker in. I am completely unqualified so should be a shoe in

 

[LamieRobertson]

I said may not work. You don't know when making a signing that they will provide what you want, so it doesn't matter who you sign, there is no guarantee they will work. Do you think we expected paynter to be such a failure when we signed him? Or Dobbie? Or Harley? When we signed them we thought they would add to us. They didn't. It's not a novel idea to sign someone who will work out, but even the player who does work out was a risk of not working out.

I'm not saying don't sign someone in case he doesn't work out, I'm saying in a straight choice between something that improves the long term health and financial clout of the club or a short term placement who at this stage is likely to be someone not good enough for his current team, or a youth player who is looking for playing experience so may or may not improve our squad, I'd go with the hotel.




It worked v Bolton (coming from behind for a win for the first time in over two years). It worked well enough to take points off qpr, which not many teams have done this season. Are we going to storm the division wi what we have available? No, but I doubt a loan signing will turn us into that force. I actually doubt an entirely fit squad would.

A loan striker won't make Greer more accurate with his passing. The team won't start finding each other with their passes. Lualua won't suddenly start looking to see who is available. Lopez won't start putting in great free kicks.

We need the players we have to start performing even close to as well as they can. When they do, what we have is fine.

You raise some valid points and the linking of the hotel project with the perceived lack of funds for a striker is ludicrous. Obviously one player unless he is top class I sent going to make a tremendous difference... But the fact remains that we went into this season light up front ...as we ended last season...you can go back to reports in early September re attempts to sign someone ...and yes its stated that we were going to get someone until they were injured ...surely he wasn't the only one? Then you get talk of FFP one week...Bloom keeping the troops happy with the idea of one if not 2 players (I don't believe he said both would be strikers)... Then barber reigning it all back...still we do still have a Week to go.
Point is even if this player is there to cover Barnes and short term loan... Then I refuse to believe its purely down to scarcity of supply...don't score goals don't win matches

 

[brightonmark1234]

come on #bhafc pull ur finger out and get us a forward we need and stop making excuses like we hear every 5 minutes

 

[vulture]

come on #bhafc pull ur finger out and get us a forward we need and stop making excuses like we hear every 5 minutes

That is just your view Mark. I bet the club are fully aware they need a loan striker or they will lose a few games.sorry mate but that's just the way it is.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

come on #bhafc pull ur finger out and get us a forward we need and stop making excuses like we hear every 5 minutes

So you would be quite happy with us signing Craig Davies on loan who under the agreement is guaranteed a starting place while he is here ?

 

[martin tyler]

Ok , let's have a sensible and as you call it a "Valid" debate without going down the route of the childish comments you made, which really does not help your argument.

First off, having been involved in running a football club which was built from scratch upto the point that I've secured over £17000 of external funding over 5 years to invest in new initiatives AND have with others made it into one of the largest and most succesful youth soccer clubs in Sussex within 7 years, I think that I'm in probably a better position to comment on "running a club" than most on here.

You've alluded to the incorrect assumption that "all the infrastructure costs" and the "playing budget" come from separate sources although which in a sense is correct from the club's internal accounting perspective, but it is not on the whole accurate.

The overall costs for running the club will be decided annually and at this point, the Club's board decide on the money it allocates to various departments responsible for the running and administration of the club. At this point, you are correct that the funds are separated into "pots". However, the overall budget for the club comes from one central repository of funds.

Your flippant comment about writing numbers on the back of a fag packet, deserves the contempt that I will give it as no one is naive enough to be suggesting that's what happens.

I'm not an accountant and I'm guessing that you're not either and so in the same week that the club announce a £55 Million pound commercial venture, the CEO then comes out to say "we are struggling to afford a loan player" it says to me and I'm sure others, that the overall administation of the clubs finances seem to be contradictive of each other, especially when the Chairman and the Director of football says effectively says "we are going to sign someone".

In all fairness, it's not Paul Barber's responsibility to be talking about the playing side of things. His job is to run the club as a company.I would say that the "playing budget" as you have mentioned seems to go up and down depending on who is telling the story that the club want to tell us...Again, I will not only use the Van Dijk saga as an example, but also Tony Bloom's post Gus/pre Oscar interview when he said we would have a squad capable of challenging in the play off positions.

Regarding my initial point...The club MUST have known about the hotel plans at the end of the season when they decided upon their funding for the 2013/14 season, the Board would have allocated a budget to the "playing side" and also the "commercial development" side and so my point is that why are BHA FC, as a company, looking to invest such a vast sum of money into a project which is peripheral to the success of the club (without also saying where the money is coming from) and which will take a number of years to become profitable, when there are clearly other areas at the club which require funding and financial support, such as the "playing budget" which in itself and once a team has achieved Premier League status can become more cost effective at that point compared to the same at a Championship / League 1 club.

One final point I would mention is a possible theory I have and is something which would explain the manner in which the club is being run and that is this...Is the club being turned into a marketable & saleable oppurtunity for possible financial investors. I would not be surprised if, looking at the likes of Reading, Cardiff & Man City that BHA FC will be sold to foreign investors over the next 5 - 10 years and that the processes which are being streamlines behind the scenes now are being done so to make the club a more commercially viable business oppurtunity for external investors.

Decent read. However i am not being rude but it does seem to me you don t actually understand financial fair play at all and what counts as part of the allowed losses and what doesn't. If people can not see what the club are trying to do and if people don t understand FFP then fine but i trust Paul Barber with this one and i can see te club are making the right decisions

 

[glasfryn]

Ok , let's have a sensible and as you call it a "Valid" debate without going down the route of the childish comments you made, which really does not help your argument.

First off, having been involved in running a football club which was built from scratch upto the point that I've secured over £17000 of external funding over 5 years to invest in new initiatives AND have with others made it into one of the largest and most succesful youth soccer clubs in Sussex within 7 years, I think that I'm in probably a better position to comment on "running a club" than most on here.

You've alluded to the incorrect assumption that "all the infrastructure costs" and the "playing budget" come from separate sources although which in a sense is correct from the club's internal accounting perspective, but it is not on the whole accurate.

The overall costs for running the club will be decided annually and at this point, the Club's board decide on the money it allocates to various departments responsible for the running and administration of the club. At this point, you are correct that the funds are separated into "pots". However, the overall budget for the club comes from one central repository of funds.

Your flippant comment about writing numbers on the back of a fag packet, deserves the contempt that I will give it as no one is naive enough to be suggesting that's what happens.

I'm not an accountant and I'm guessing that you're not either and so in the same week that the club announce a £55 Million pound commercial venture, the CEO then comes out to say "we are struggling to afford a loan player" it says to me and I'm sure others, that the overall administation of the clubs finances seem to be contradictive of each other, especially when the Chairman and the Director of football says effectively says "we are going to sign someone".

In all fairness, it's not Paul Barber's responsibility to be talking about the playing side of things. His job is to run the club as a company.I would say that the "playing budget" as you have mentioned seems to go up and down depending on who is telling the story that the club want to tell us...Again, I will not only use the Van Dijk saga as an example, but also Tony Bloom's post Gus/pre Oscar interview when he said we would have a squad capable of challenging in the play off positions.

Regarding my initial point...The club MUST have known about the hotel plans at the end of the season when they decided upon their funding for the 2013/14 season, the Board would have allocated a budget to the "playing side" and also the "commercial development" side and so my point is that why are BHA FC, as a company, looking to invest such a vast sum of money into a project which is peripheral to the success of the club (without also saying where the money is coming from) and which will take a number of years to become profitable, when there are clearly other areas at the club which require funding and financial support, such as the "playing budget" which in itself and once a team has achieved Premier League status can become more cost effective at that point compared to the same at a Championship / League 1 club.

One final point I would mention is a possible theory I have and is something which would explain the manner in which the club is being run and that is this...Is the club being turned into a marketable & saleable oppurtunity for possible financial investors. I would not be surprised if, looking at the likes of Reading, Cardiff & Man City that BHA FC will be sold to foreign investors over the next 5 - 10 years and that the processes which are being streamlines behind the scenes now are being done so to make the club a more commercially viable business oppurtunity for external investors.

this had crossed my mind several times only on a shorter time scale.

 

[Don Tmatter]

Obika was all set to join and he then got injured.

We had a decent striker lined up for last week but Oscar decided he wasn't the right sort of player (not fast enough, I understand) so the deal wasn't pushed through.

Oscar has to be allowed to do his job, which includes only bringing in players he feels will add real benefit.

If we haven't got anyone this time next week then I'll be pushing that big button marked "PANIC!", but I don't expect it to come to that.

Was this the Greek lad at Everton?

What about the lad from Norwich, thought he was joining on Monday? another no go?