Bangladesh v England@ Chittagong

[DTES]

Tamim gone - we'll be fine. Surely?

 

[CHAPPERS]

It's not helping that the dew is stopping Swann from being able to grip the ball.

 

[sten_super]

As for criticism of Trott, it's ridiculous. At a push you can argue he scored too slowly in this particular match, but then again it's a tough pitch to score fast on for anyone. The bottom line is you need to post a total and you can't do that if other batsmen are posting run-a-ball 15s/20s, otherwise we'll be all out for 200 off 200 balls in the 34th over.

With the greatest of respect, far more respected cricketing figures than you or me have bought it up, it's not like I've made it up out of nowhere, so I think calling it ridiculous is a bit strong. I actually like him as a player, and think he generally does a very good job for England. However I don't think that means he should be immune to criticism, which is aimed at making him an even better player. We have moved well beyond the Boycott mentality of players doing things for their own personal glory, and there seem to be concerns that Trott is slightly too concerned with keeping his own wicket intact, at the expense of scoring a bit quicker.

In the current situation (in terms of this WC, as well as this game) I think we can all agree though that there are much greater priorities!

 

[CHAPPERS]

Brilliant bit of fielding there.

 

[Pavilionaire]

We have moved well beyond the Boycott mentality of players doing things for their own personal glory, and there seem to be concerns that Trott is slightly too concerned with keeping his own wicket intact, at the expense of scoring a bit quicker.

I like the concept of an England batsman trying to keep his wicket intact. Maybe Trott should explain this concept to Kevin Pietersen?

 

[CHAPPERS]

Trotts WC

Netherlands 62 from 65, better than KP and Bell
India 16 - 19 balls
Ireland 92 from 92 better strike rate than Stauss and Bell, top scored
South Africa 52 from 94 rebuilding after Strauss, KP and Bell failed.
Today 67 from 99 Top scored

 

[CHAPPERS]

Into the shaky middle order here and the ball is moving around.

 

[sten_super]

Trotts WC

Netherlands 62 from 65, better than KP and Bell
India 16 - 19 balls
Ireland 92 from 92 better strike rate than Stauss and Bell, top scored
South Africa 52 from 94 rebuilding after Strauss, KP and Bell failed.
Today 67 from 99 Top scored

Yes you have trotted (if you'll excuse the pun) these out before. The batsman scoring the most runs should almost always have a better strike rate than a batsmen coming in early who hasn't scored runs, that is the nature of getting yourself in. If you look at the statistics for 2011 ODIs on cricinfo he is one of only 7 scorers of a century at a strike rate of under 90 in 2011 (out of c25 century makers in total), and he has the lowest strike rate of any of the top 10 scorers at this World Cup.

I'm not saying he's terrible by any stretch of the imagination, all I'm saying is that he could be better. I don't know why that's meeting with quite so much opposition?

 

[CHAPPERS]

Because he is arguably the best England batsman in the tournament so far?

 

[CHAPPERS]

I say arguably, he's top scored.

 

[Flavor Flav]

Trott has never hit a six in test match cricket. If we didn't have him in our middle order we'd be as bad as New Zealand.

 

[sten_super]

I say arguably, he's top scored.

No he hasn't. Strauss has got 9 more runs than him (198 vs 189)

 

[Pavilionaire]

I'm not saying he's terrible by any stretch of the imagination, all I'm saying is that he could be better. I don't know why that's meeting with quite so much opposition?

I think if you criticised Collingwood, or Yardy, or Anderson's form then you'd have a point. Criticising our most prolific batsmen seems ludicrous. At the end of the day he is what he is. If you told him to up his scoring rate then his productivity would, in all likelihood, go down.

England's problem is their lack of quality 50-over bowling options.

 

[sten_super]

I think if you criticised Collingwood, or Yardy, or Anderson's form then you'd have a point. Criticising our most prolific batsmen seems ludicrous. At the end of the day he is what he is. If you told him to up his scoring rate then his productivity would, in all likelihood, go down.

England's problem is their lack of quality 50-over bowling options.

It's a fair cop. I think my criticism is born out of frustration more than anything else, and I agree that the bowling attack has to take the vast majority of the flak for that. If we'd comfortably beaten the Netherlands and Ireland (as we should have done had the bowling been half-way decent) and others pulled their weight in the ODI series in Australia then I'm sure it wouldn't be talked about as an issue. However the fact is we've been pretty average at one day cricket recently, and as a result I think everyone's flaws are being highlighted.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

We look as threatening to Bangladesh as a Chinchilla would look to an Anaconda.

 

[Pavilionaire]

I agree with you there, Sten. We need a bit of perspective; we have a good test side and a good 20/20 side. The 50 over side is poor, but then it has usually been poor for as longer as I can remember.

I expect in the back of their minds they've been away from home for months now, they've seen Pietersen and Broad depart, the domestic season is almost upon us and the players have lost some focus and intensity.

 

[Pavilionaire]

England showing a bit of the bulldog spirit! Credit to Shahzad for stepping up to the plate.

 

[Iggle Piggle]

I love the arguments on the cricket threads. It's always so polite.

8 down. Wish I'd taken the 2's when I had the chance.

 

[CHAPPERS]

A couple of yorkers will end this.

 

[brightonmark1234]

going to lose but i hope im wrong