[News] Awful news coming in from Southport.

[GT49er]

Do you think someone who carries out a mass killing of children is sane?

Doesn't that rather depend on whether or not you accept that some people can be pure evil and wicked, but not actually insane?

 

[wellquickwoody]

So sad.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Well this thread has taken a pretty awful turn.

And is typical of some posters unfortunately.

Our thoughts should be with the innocent children and families thereof.

Far too often the threads descend into utter crap, those wishing to surmise, those who falsely want to be offended. FFS it's all bollox. Woke this or another some need to f***ing grow up. I reserve the right to offend and to go against the current beliefs of political correctness, this thread is not one of them.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

Wouldn’t the school have broken up for holidays? …report I read states a ‘studio’ for dance and yoga

A party for kids 3 to 11.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

What an awful and sad story. RIP to the two who have died.

 

[Easy 10]

There is no silver lining here, other than the fact that the unhinged, deranged, EVIL piece of filth that carried our this heinous act has been apprehended, and will hopefully never feel the sun on his face ever - EVER again.

I'm actually struggling to express the level of my revulsion and disgust, tbh.

 

[Lenny Rider]

All death has a degree of sadness, any death of a child is extremely sad, fatalities in these circumstances has any normal human being struggling for suitable adjectives.

This time yesterday these particular children were looking forward to a day of fun, this morning not only young lives have been lost but a number of other lives will be irrevocably changed.

’Time is a great healer’ is to a degree BS, a number of people connected to this will simply never recover, and whilst the debate will rage about whether the perpetrator should or shouldn’t have been here, some people are just pure evil, regardless of race, colour or creed.

 

[Motogull]

Doesn't that rather depend on whether or not you accept that some people can be pure evil and wicked, but not actually insane?

I don't think so. The line is so fine it is negligible. The person that done this should get a one way ticket to a secure medical institution with the only exit via a body bag.

 

[Insel affe]

I don't think so. The line is so fine it is negligible. The person that done this should get a one way ticket to a secure medical institution with the only exit via a body bag.

For this kind of crime, where the guilt is beyond doubt, I quick execution is called for, not wasting time and money with courts, lawyers, metal health assessments and prison for the rest of his life at everyone's expense. If it where my child, that is what I would be calling for.

 

[Chicken Run]

For this kind of crime, where the guilt is beyond doubt, I quick execution is called for, not wasting time and money with courts, lawyers, metal health assessments and prison for the rest of his life at everyone's expense. If it where my child, that is what I would be calling for.

Mmmm i’d be asking for a week in a warehouse with a resuscitation team along with many ‘tools’ to inflict maximum pain to the point of near death and then rinse and repeat

Edit, roll on the football season

 

[Peacehaven Wild Kids]

For this kind of crime, where the guilt is beyond doubt, I quick execution is called for, not wasting time and money with courts, lawyers, metal health assessments and prison for the rest of his life at everyone's expense. If it where my child, that is what I would be calling for.

I understand your emotion, the last line is agreeable to most including myself, however the wording is flawed, if there is a quick execution “where guilt is beyond doubt” where does this leave those on very long/whole life terms that have been found guilty by twelve good men and true? It leaves this open for the Ian Huntley’s of this world to say “hang on a minute, I didn’t get executed so what are you saying? my case is not beyond doubt?”
Death row in the States is also proof it is a long winded, expensive process.
Hopefully, everyday for the next forty years will be a living hell for him.

 

[nevergoagain]

For this kind of crime, where the guilt is beyond doubt, I quick execution is called for, not wasting time and money with courts, lawyers, metal health assessments and prison for the rest of his life at everyone's expense. If it where my child, that is what I would be calling for.

Now I totally agree with your opinion on this one. I was having similar conversation about Valdo Calocane a little while back and got jumped on by those saying he wasn't criminally responsible as was having a psychotic episode at the time.

 

[DJ NOBO]

Doesn't that rather depend on whether or not you accept that some people can be pure evil and wicked, but not actually insane?

If not, presumably you believe that everyone who commits murder is insane. So committing murder is never a crime.

 

[Insel affe]

Now I totally agree with your opinion on this one. I was having similar conversation about Valdo Calocane a little while back and got jumped on by those saying he wasn't criminally responsible as was having a psychotic episode at the time.

was this fella having a psychotic episode though, how long do they last ? apparently he had a knife pre meditated, caught a taxi, refused to pay, and proceeded to attack defenceless children, he knew what he was doing, why target such defenceless souls, because he is weak and they are an easy target. This person has no function in society, will not be able to be rehabilitated. There is a chance he will go to jail, join a gang and become an inside hero for some, as sick as that sounds it is true. Under the current system, the best we can hope for is that he is targeted inside and has his eyes removed with a rusty shank.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Doesn't that rather depend on whether or not you accept that some people can be pure evil and wicked, but not actually insane?

Not really. Sanity includes making rational decisions that adhere to larger human mores. Thinking it is OK to kill kids is not sane. And doing bad things and enjoying it does not make you evil but sane, simply because you enjoyed the suffering.

I don't however agree that when someone does something bad when insane they should then automatically be pardoned when they become 'well'. But how often does that happen .....one of my best pals was a social worker who sat on parole boards judging when someone detained under the mental health act was well enough to be released. In most cases they never were. There have however been some headline cock ups. Usual business - ensure proper decisions are taken properly.

If the current case deems the killer insane they will never see the light of day again.

 

[LamieRobertson]

A party for kids 3 to 11.

Yes…a yoga/dance party for those ages at a studio

 

[LamieRobertson]

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[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I understand your emotion, the last line is agreeable to most including myself, however the wording is flawed, if there is a quick execution “where guilt is beyond doubt” where does this leave those on very long/whole life terms that have been found guilty by twelve good men and true? It leaves this open for the Ian Huntley’s of this world to say “hang on a minute, I didn’t get executed so what are you saying? my case is not beyond doubt?”
Death row in the States is also proof it is a long winded, expensive process.
Hopefully, everyday for the next forty years will be a living hell for him.

Death penalty is wrong, full stop. Killing (outside of war or kill-or-be-killed self defense) is wrong.

We can't just make it acceptable for the state (i.e., us) to premiditatedly murder someone just so people can feel exultant at the retribution, or to save money.

That said, our base reaction to horror and the desire for revenge is natural. All our base impulses are natural. But they do not serve either ourselves or our species in the long run. Once, we (men) raped and killed on a daily basis. It was natural. It resulted in 'our' women being raped and killed in return. And indeed our kids. Kill them all! We worked out this isn't a good plan (unless you can get away with it) a long time ago, and created Society.

State murder was the last icon that made people feel that revenge is OK. It still seeps into the vigilante spirit, but most of us quell that imperative fairly easily. It is alive and well in the US and elsewhere, with guns and very liberal rules about self defense. If that's your thing, move to a country that executes people and you will feel much more fulfilled, and no longer frustrated by the nanny state.

Or stay here and help our society embed itself more into humanistic mores, kindness, protection, education, and indeed picking up quickly when someone is about to wander down 'wrong-un' boulevard.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

That's for the jury to decide, is it not?

Assuming they try get a manslaughter by diminished responsibility

Sanity is not judged by a jury any more than cancer is diagnosed by a jury.

 

[Jackthelad]

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