Razzoo
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I have made my valid point it's been said and done. Tara, Chump. If or when we get a Neo Nazi attack I shall condemn it strongly and I won't derail it into "But what about the Muslim terror threat."
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[News] Attack in Streatham, South London.
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I have made my valid point it's been said and done. Tara, Chump. If or when we get a Neo Nazi attack I shall condemn it strongly and I won't derail it into "But what about the Muslim terror threat."
Nobody has said that. You're making things up.
The way a discussion goes is 'on the one hand this, on the other hand that, can we see what's important here?'
Not 'on the one hand this, on the other hand, who cares because I just chopped your hand off'
Sirnormangall
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- Sep 21, 2017
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Nothing to do with the EU or the newspaper I read - I just feel sorry for the victims, who wouldn’t have suffered had those individuals not been released too early.
I think the problem is that when someone mentioned non muslim attacks (and we didn't know intitially) someone took it upon themselves to invent some nonexistant argument about what is more common and what is worse, as if it is a competition. I admit mocking that discussion, and was misunderstood by a usual suspect as a consequence. People love reading things that aren't there into things.
I'm mostly concerned that Boris promied a few weeks ago he'd stop these chumps being released without serving their full sentence, and here we have another one released early. I'd like to be able to trust Boris, but....
"He has been named as "knife-obsessed" convicted terrorist Sudesh Amman, who was released from his previous conviction after serving half his sentence."
WTAF?
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That's quite a landslide and goes most of the way to explaining why some people's, me included, first thought will be 'that's a muzzie then' when news of these atrocities break unless it is made clear early on that it is in the vicinty of a Mosque.
Thankfully there is still only one fatality from yesterday. I hope it stays that way.
Brightonfan1983
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Did anyone catch this on the Radio 4 tonight? https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000dpjf About the London Bridge attacker? Discussing everything this thread is discussing, but with facts? Really interesting / shocking.
Made me think, thank goodness there's no one on here who's rightly appalled at and posting about the state of the probation service and the prison service and the courts, and their inability to keep these people in jail, thank goodness no one here voted again for the same government that's been in power for ten years and have cut these service to the bone. I mean, why would anyone here do that? I mean, that'd be bonkers right? lol
*edit. 2nd para a bit ranty, but the radio prog was very informative.
Made me think, thank goodness there's no one on here who's rightly appalled at and posting about the state of the probation service and the prison service and the courts, and their inability to keep these people in jail, thank goodness no one here voted again for the same government that's been in power for ten years and have cut these service to the bone. I mean, why would anyone here do that? I mean, that'd be bonkers right? lol
*edit. 2nd para a bit ranty, but the radio prog was very informative.
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beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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did they mention he was released as thats the law? so need to change the law on early release, and handling terrorists at end sentence.
Apparently the government will be challenged in court should they decide to tinker with the current release system.
Streatham attack: Terror sentence changes 'face legal battle' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51365970
Streatham attack: Terror sentence changes 'face legal battle' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51365970
Brightonfan1983
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They did, exactly that. Last year an act went through parliament that stops the early release of prisoners convicted of types of terrorist offences (the Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Act 2019 if I may be so bold); Boris yesterday said that should now apply retrospectively which feels sensible but would be against the law in its current form. It will be challenged, but that's what Law is there for, to be challenged in order to make it stronger.
The programme also talked about govt studies implemented and whether those recommendations were implemented and if not why not; if deradicalisation can work and how.
It's a minefield. One, I think we all agree, we need to get through as soon as possible!
symyjym
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Interesting this BBC broadcast looking back at the London Bridge attack and how it could have been prevented. It also states that MI5 are having to keep tabs on 20,000 people of various risks.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000dpjf
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000dpjf
Pretty pink fairy
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Pretty pink fairy
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making things upNobody has said that. You're making things up.
The way a discussion goes is 'on the one hand this, on the other hand that, can we see what's important here?'
Not 'on the one hand this, on the other hand, who cares because I just chopped your hand off'
come on H that's a flakey responseregards
DF
Pretty pink fairy
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I checked a message by well-thick-noddy* when I suspected he'd posted a kind and considered reply to someone on a thread some weeks ago. It was kind and considered. So I unblocked him. Let bygones, etc. Been enjoying his posts ever since.
However his latest outburst of wet knickerism reminds me that there must have been a reason why I blocked him once.
Anyway, I have a sore arse owing to a raging fire in my pants, so I'd best apply some oinkment now before it's two late.
*Only joshing
that's right H shut down /ignore anything you don't agree with or like ,sounds like the actions of the far left
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DF
Boris promised he'd change the law after the last but one outrage. But he decided it was more important to **** of to Mustique or wherever he spent Christmas than push through emergency legislation to deal with this clear and present danger. So now he's promising exactly the same thing.
I heard on the radio yesterday that Blair introduced a law that kept these madmen in gaol till deemed safe, but the tories rescinded it when the got in (Cameron, around 2012) because they decided it costed too much money.
Boris also vetod the original plan to put barriers along the main bridges in London when he was mayor as this would be aesthetically displeasing. The direct result was dead people.
Now, who is the friend of terrorism? You don't have to arrange meetings with the IRA to be a national security threat. Just being a tory government can be sufficient.
I make these points in partial rebuttal to the drivel that I wont read, but which is undoubtably drivel, posted by old droopy, above.
Come on Boris, get terrorism done!
Pretty pink fairy
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Boris promised he'd change the law after the last but one outrage. But he decided it was more important to **** of to Mustique or wherever he spent Christmas than push through emergency legislation to deal with this clear and present danger. So now he's promising exactly the same thing.
I heard on the radio yesterday that Blair introduced a law that kept these madmen in gaol till deemed safe, but the tories rescinded it when the got in (Cameron, around 2012) because they decided it costed too much money.
Boris also vetod the original plan to put barriers along the main bridges in London when he was mayor as this would be aesthetically displeasing. The direct result was dead people.
Now, who is the friend of terrorism? You don't have to arrange meetings with the IRA to be a national security threat. Just being a tory government can be sufficient.
I make these points in partial rebuttal to the drivel that I wont read, but which is undoubtably drivel, posted by old droopy, above.
Come on Boris, get terrorism done!
stop Building mosques /faith schools
regards
DF
Pretty pink fairy
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Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
stop Building mosques /faith schools
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DF
Don't cut prison and probation service budgets.
Don't cut police budgets.
Don't cut security service budgets.
Don't drop out of European intelligence and security sharing arrangements.
Might help as well.
Pretty pink fairy
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Don't cut prison and probation service budgets.
Don't cut police budgets.
Don't cut security service budgets.
Don't drop out of European intelligence and security sharing arrangements.
Might help as well.
it hasn't helped but i'm sure they'll be more funding in the future
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DF