[News] Attack in Streatham, South London.

[NooBHA]

So he was convicted and jailed for planning to commit terrorism? When did this happen?

I made no mention of terrorism.

I responded to your statement about not being able to de-radicalise someone unless they wanted to be.

Deradicalisation. This is altering the views of someone with a Radical View.

All I was merely pointing out was that there are Radical Views everywhere in Society.

Or in your eyes is it selective who we should De-radicalise. And what would the criteria for it.

This should be up for debate because I think we should be attempting to change the extreme views in every walk of society

 

[Razzoo]

I made no mention of terrorism.

I responded to your statement about not being able to de-radicalise someone unless they wanted to be.

Deradicalisation. This is altering the views of someone with a Radical View.

All I was merely pointing out was that there are Radical Views everywhere in Society.

Or in your eyes is it selective who we should De-radicalise. And what would the criteria for it.

This should be up for debate because I think we should be attempting to change the extreme views in every walk of society

We should prioritise de- radicalisation of those actually guilty of preparing to commit murder. This we can agree on surely?

 

[The Clamp]

Are you seriously calling for people to be banned for not sharing your Woke views?


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Not being a daft racist , such as yourself, doesn’t make one woke. It simply means they are not a daft racist. Like you.

 

[NooBHA]

We should prioritise de- radicalisation of those actually guilty of preparing to actually commit murder. This we can agree on surely?

Actually No

I think we should look to de-radicalise people before offences are committed.

We all seem to think that if an Iman use preaching hate we should intervene . And I agree that we should.

But we don't seem to take the same view with someone like Tommy Robinson.

I think he should be de-radicalise too.

Once a serious Crime has been committed. We do need to look at making any release dependant upon de-radicalisation but we can only do that by funding such programs better

 

[RossyG]

We should prioritise de- radicalisation of those actually guilty of preparing to commit murder. This we can agree on surely?

Exactly. Radical views are one thing; radical violence is something else.

Also, who gets to judge which view is radical? Whereas with violence there’s no ambiguity.

 

[RossyG]

We all seem to think that if an Iman use preaching hate we should intervene .

Not necessarily.

If he’s inciting violence, then yes, but “preaching hate” is too vague a term to have a blanket policy on, especially in this day and age where the lunatic fringe describe as “hate” opinions and beliefs even facts that were accepted by all until a few years ago.

 

[Razzoo]

Actually No

I think we should look to de-radicalise people before offences are committed.

We all seem to think that if an Iman use preaching hate we should intervene . And I agree that we should.

But we don't seem to take the same view with someone like Tommy Robinson.

I think he should be de-radicalise too.

Once a serious Crime has been committed. We do need to look at making any release dependant upon de-radicalisation but we can only do that by funding such programs better

This is the problem though, you can't just go rounding up people deemed radical and put them on programs. How many people would they have to round up? Who is going to fund that operation. Frankly, it's a ridiculous plan, totally unworkable. They are having trouble enough monitoring genuine threats to innocent people.

 

[Sheebo]

Actually No

I think we should look to de-radicalise people before offences are committed.

We all seem to think that if an Iman use preaching hate we should intervene . And I agree that we should.

But we don't seem to take the same view with someone like Tommy Robinson.

I think he should be de-radicalise too.

Once a serious Crime has been committed. We do need to look at making any release dependant upon de-radicalisation but we can only do that by funding such programs better

I don’t support Robinson in a lot of what he does but he makes good points on terrorism that people can’t seem to stand. Yet would surely agree with. Like:

Robinson said: "I acknowledge the dangers of far-right extremism and the ongoing need to counter Islamist ideology not with violence but with better, democratic ideas".

As for this attack, it’s another pointer to so much being wrong with how we treat anyone convicted of being involved in terrorism. The last 2 attacks have been Islam extremists we’ve ‘let out’ very early and it’s not good enough. Also, Muslims need to keep/start doing their bits more than anyone and report any doubts on their followers to police. The general public need to keep/start doing the same. It’s just a sad, sad situation and very soon we’ll have another 9/11 guaranteed. People will always point the finger but it’s a number of different things that need changing. Also sometimes there’s just nothing we can do as these terrorists haven’t been traceable etc. Sad.

 

[Sheebo]

Actually No

I think we should look to de-radicalise people before offences are committed.

We all seem to think that if an Iman use preaching hate we should intervene . And I agree that we should.

But we don't seem to take the same view with someone like Tommy Robinson.

I think he should be de-radicalise too.

Once a serious Crime has been committed. We do need to look at making any release dependant upon de-radicalisation but we can only do that by funding such programs better

A serious crime has to be anything terror related - words, viewing / spreading videos - everything. And harsher punishments!

 

[Insel affe]

Ban fairytales, oh sorry religion

 

[Juan Albion]

Ban fairytales, oh sorry religion

Bigot.

 

[Juan Albion]

I was surprised by the venue it it were a 'muslim' event - which it was. Bloke's an embarrassing clown. At least he's dead now.

The Muslims and the Hindus are not exactly the best of friends in some parts of the world.

 

[BRIGHT ON Q]

Released just days ago after serving 1.5 years of a 3 year sentence for distribution of extremest material. Was being monitored apparently .

 

[Chicken Run]

What a bloody shambles. Really.

I thought Boris has blocked the early releases after the last cock up? The pen pushers still doing the paperwork, presumably. Come the summer I'm sure it will all be sorted.

When exactly was this Muslim Terrorist released?

 

[Chicken Run]

Like any boozer with a proven drug problem gets shut down they should shut down any religious place of worship that has an issue with its flock.

 

[Chicken Run]

The more that don't get the chance to go to jail the better. Bullet is cheaper

This, having watched the Belmarsh HMP documentaries apparently a 1/3 of the prison population attend Friday prayers each week , many of them being clean skins!!

 

[goldstone]

Haven't read all of the posts on this thread, but my questions are:
- why was this guy in the UK?
- is he a British citizen?
- if so why?
- if he's a citizen because he was born here, why were his parents here?
The family doesn't sound like the kind of people we want in our country.

 

[Springal]

Haven't read all of the posts on this thread, but my questions are:
- why was this guy in the UK?
- is he a British citizen?
- if so why?
- if he's a citizen because he was born here, why were his parents here?
The family doesn't sound like the kind of people we want in our country.

Probably need to send that to the Home Secretary, not a football message board

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The Muslims and the Hindus are not exactly the best of friends in some parts of the world.

Still. I don't think this chump was out to avenge the partitioning of India, though, was he? My point being: just another thicky, using made-up grievance to justify an elaborate suicide. What would muslim gammon be? Quorn? Almost an anagram!

 

[NooBHA]

Seems live some of the posts above are drawing a legal line in the sand which tickles their ears and which keeps Right Wing Ideology on the right side of Legal and Muslim Ideology firmly illegal.

One statement even used the term "clean skins". What the hell does "Clean Skins mean or constitute ? And what has brought skin colour into the debate