Ashley Barnes One-on-One from BBC

[Simster]

No but it gives the keeper more chance of closing down the angle,Barnes was right to hit it from where he was.

Well in hindsight, no he wasn't! He might have scored by taking one more touch.

That still on it's own doesn't really tell you much about the chance IMO. It takes no account of the movement of surrounding players (are the defenders caught flat footed? is the keeper rushing off his line?) and you can't see the motion of the ball. Has he got it fully under control or is it the case that he could easily have taken another touch without losing control?

Sometimes hitting it early is a great move, especially if the keeper is rooted to his line, but here it looks like the keeper positioned himself well after spotting the danger. In which case, another touch before hammering it would have increased the chance of a goal, IMO.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

True. I don't wan't to look like I'm slagging him off because that's not my intention. All I'm saying is that a better striker in this division is burying those chances and getting 20+ goals a season because of it. We've plcked Barnes from plymouth reserves at the age of 20 so mabye he's not going to score every chance he gets, I just wonder if it'll cost us points in the end by not having someone more clinical.

I think most people reckon he had a good game. And of course on another day he could have had more goals. He's scored three goals in 8 games so far (Walsall, Plymouth and Oldham) which is "17 goals in the season" form. Not bad.

 

[Hotchilidog]

I think Ashley himself will have been disappointed to not have done better with that chance.

Having said that the tone of criticism on here from some quarters about his ability is just nonsense. I thought he had an excellent game on saturday. He is far more involved in play than he was in his loan spell. Him and Murray look like a good partnership and I'm enjoying watching them work together.

 

[Addiseagull]

Surely the main message of the highlights is that Barnes is getting into great scoring positions, has a bit of self belief and looks like he's going to score. No striker puts every chance away. Good to see him confident rather than worrying about those that don't go in.

THIS is the ONLY correct observation.

 

[Blue and White Tiger]

I love barnes

 

[larus]

I'm at a loss by the expectations that so people have.

Was it a good chance? Yes.
Was it a 1-on-1? Debatable; this depends on YOUR interpreation of a 1-on-1.
Was it a sitter? Obviously not.
Could he have done better? Yes.
Should he have taken an extra touch? Hmm, another touch narrows the angle more, gives the defender time to close him down IMO. If he'd done this and missed, then many would be saying he should have taken it early.
Was it a bad miss or a good save? Good save IMO.

He's 20, still learning his game but already knocking in more than some 'informed' people were forecasting. FFS, accept that he ain't going to score EVERY chance he gets' The great thing he seems to know how to get in the right area to be creating/given chances.

The goal was a well taken header; give the lad some slack. The expectations on here astound me.

 

[Gav1901]

Ah well he missed, we won, no point dwelling back on it.

 

[magoo]

We win a well earnt, convincing 2-1 and we're still arguing over a missed chance.

If we're going to knit-pick then for me i think Painter might have done better defending their goal, shepharding the number 18 out towards the outside rather than let him run into the box.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Just watched the highlights on Player. I was led to believe from comments on here that he had missed a load of sitters.

The first chance, the 1-on-1, yes, another touch might have given him a better chance. It might also have put him out of position and given the defender or keeper a chance to intercept. Anyway, a good chance but at least he didn't balloon it.

The second chance, on the other hand, was simply brilliant from Barnes. He found space beyond the last defender and got on the end of a dipping cross with a first-time volley that needed a good save from the keeper. Very impressed with Barnes in that instance.

The third chance, hit the ball across the goal with his left foot, and it came back off the post. My first impression of that chance was that he hit it with his LEFT foot, and hit it well.

Then he scored with a great header.

So we've had right, foot, left foot, volley and header, he's strong and has an apparent ability to get into space (which I didn't see against Rochdale, so this may be evidence of rapid improvement). That's an impressive suite of attributes to have at such a young age and bodes well.

But most of you want to argue that he missed a sitter, and begrudgingly acknowledge that he played OK after that. Why the negativity?

 

[humpy]

also is not 2 in 2 a stat that most strikers (prem included ) would be happy with and indeed most fans.................although apparently not bha ones cos our strikers should take every single chance and should be scoring at least 2 per game and while we are at it lets get on goalie ( oh we already have done that) and defence for daring to let in a goal as they are clearly meant to go all season without conceding or they are just not good enough. !!!!

 

[Nappy thrower]

I'm at a loss by the expectations that so people have.

Was it a good chance? Yes.
Was it a 1-on-1? Debatable; this depends on YOUR interpreation of a 1-on-1.
Was it a sitter? Obviously not.
Could he have done better? Yes.
Should he have taken an extra touch? Hmm, another touch narrows the angle more, gives the defender time to close him down IMO. If he'd done this and missed, then many would be saying he should have taken it early.
Was it a bad miss or a good save? Good save IMO.

He's 20, still learning his game but already knocking in more than some 'informed' people were forecasting. FFS, accept that he ain't going to score EVERY chance he gets' The great thing he seems to know how to get in the right area to be creating/given chances.

The goal was a well taken header; give the lad some slack. The expectations on here astound me.

How can i take you seriously when you amit yourself you shave every body hair you have including nuts?

 

[severnside gull]

I'm at a loss by the expectations that so people have.

Was it a good chance? Yes.
Was it a 1-on-1? Debatable; this depends on YOUR interpreation of a 1-on-1.
Was it a sitter? Obviously not.
Could he have done better? Yes.
Should he have taken an extra touch? Hmm, another touch narrows the angle more, gives the defender time to close him down IMO. If he'd done this and missed, then many would be saying he should have taken it early.
Was it a bad miss or a good save? Good save IMO.

He's 20, still learning his game but already knocking in more than some 'informed' people were forecasting. FFS, accept that he ain't going to score EVERY chance he gets' The great thing he seems to know how to get in the right area to be creating/given chances.

The goal was a well taken header; give the lad some slack. The expectations on here astound me.

Indeed

 

[Scampi]

and just to clarify.. this IS a one on one and that's not substantial pressure from the defender.

Just to clarify - no it isn't

Here's why;

When he receives the ball , it is slightly behind him. He takes a touch which slows both him and the ball down and turns him slightly away from goal. The defender although not too far away is close enough to be with him if Ashley takes another touch.

 

[Rookie]

Sure we did this on Sat/Sun.
Their keeper made some cracking saves but I'm sure Barnes would be disappointed not to have put one of his other chances away but the fact he was getting in the positions in the first place is very encouraging.
Do love the way some on here are saying what he should have done (take a touch/not take a touch etc), football is so easy from the stands and looks a lot slower than it is on the field.

 

[Jim D]

It was a sitter and he should have buried it, he hit it straight at the keeper.

The irony of that point is that if he had hit it straight at the keeper it might have gone in. Instead he hit it to the keeper's right and allowed him to stretch out an arm.

Also, I don't know what your definition of 'sitter' is but 15 yards out, keeper well off his line, defender about to block in half a second isn't mine. It was a very good chance but certainly not a sitter.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

The best observation here for me is from the man of the forest. Barnes gets into great positions and get his shots on target. At our level that's the real skill. I'm convinced having seen him a couple of times now that he'll score 15-20 and his partnership with Murray could be a classic.

Time to move on? Bring on Brentford.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

The irony of that point is that if he had hit it straight at the keeper it might have gone in. Instead he hit it to the keeper's right and allowed him to stretch out an arm.

Also, I don't know what your definition of 'sitter' is but 15 yards out, keeper well off his line, defender about to block in half a second isn't mine. It was a very good chance but certainly not a sitter.

That's really the point I was trying to make with this thread - not go over the "is Barnes a good striker" debate again. It's easy to be irked that he "missed" lots of "sitters" but that's simply not the reality.

One day very soon he will score a hatful.

 

[sir albion]

Barnes is doing brilliant and only 20
Great prospect and like others have said he gets in the right places,also i bet he scores more than murray this season

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

I do sometimes wonder whether many people on this board have ever played the game.

 

[the hitman]

Keeper has made a good save, Barnes did very well on Saturday, how anyone can slate him is beyond me. Not a dig at Murray, but i have seen him miss alot worse this this, and alot more often, without you lot blinking an eye lid.