[Politics] Are you a so called working class Conservative ?

[Super Steve Earle]

Till you lose your job or suffer bad health

I lost my job 18m ago and Mrs Earle had a significant operation on the NHS a few weeks ago. I imagine I'm a working class conservative and those two events caused no issues. What's working class anyway (calling Jolly Red Giant). A refuse collector, a train driver, a teacher, bank staff, shop staff? They all work significant hours to earn a crust and many of them are what I would regard as extremely well paid. In my head, working class is no more than a political term that went out with 3rd Class travel on the railways.

 

[portslade seagull]

Sorry. I disagree. It’s okay for tangible things like broken bones and operations etc. But it’s totally and utterly woeful for things like mental health. And I will say this for the umpteenth time, it’s biggest single issue is a lack of funding.

I'd argue that point, mismanagement of funds and a top heavy structure. Way too many managers but it is old school government run.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

if you work hard enough the opportunities are there for anyone who wants it in this country.

Everyone can’t have everything.....so your trite statement isn’t logical.

 

[amexer]

Sorry. I disagree. It’s okay for tangible things like broken bones and operations etc. But it’s totally and utterly woeful for things like mental health. And I will say this for the umpteenth time, it’s biggest single issue is a lack of funding.

I think you just said something a little positive. You sound just like some of my relatives from Luebeck whos son has mental problems. Always moaning they get no help.

 

[The Clamp]

I think you just said something a little positive. You sound just like some of my relatives from Luebeck whos son has mental problems. Always moaning they get no help.

What a delightful post.

 

[darkwolf666]

“The opportunities are there for anyone who wants it”.

Sounds like you have led a rather sheltered life. Open your eyes.

It's akin to Norman Tebbit's "get on your bike" mantra of the 80s and shows how isolated and out of touch from the real world for many people, some people are.

 

[darkwolf666]

I think you just said something a little positive. You sound just like some of my relatives from Luebeck whos son has mental problems. Always moaning they get no help.

Maybe, just maybe, that's because they get no help!

 

[Ernest]

Have you used the NHS recently? It is brilliant, but suffering from increased customer numbers, expectations and demands.

Thank you Matt Hancock but I'd rather believe the nurses and doctors on the frontline

 

[Ernest]

I lost my job 18m ago and Mrs Earle had a significant operation on the NHS a few weeks ago. I imagine I'm a working class conservative and those two events caused no issues. What's working class anyway (calling Jolly Red Giant). A refuse collector, a train driver, a teacher, bank staff, shop staff? They all work significant hours to earn a crust and many of them are what I would regard as extremely well paid. In my head, working class is no more than a political term that went out with 3rd Class travel on the railways.

No such thing as working class Tories, there are those who care about others and there are those who mantra is 'I'm alright Jack and sod everyone else'

 

[The Clamp]

Have you used the NHS recently? It is brilliant, but suffering from increased customer numbers, expectations and demands.

But with £350m a week now being pumped in,
50,000 new nurses,
40+ new hospitals due to be built and
All those nasty foreigners banned from coming in and clogging up our hospitals


We should be absolutely fine, shouldn’t we?










Oh.

 

[beorhthelm]

Thank you Matt Hancock but I'd rather believe the nurses and doctors on the frontline

dont the front line nurses and doctors agree there is more demand, with the suggestion we need more of them?

 

[Shooting Star]

Yep, my wife and I are in our late twenties and both are.

 

[Ernest]

dont the front line nurses and doctors agree there is more demand, with the suggestion we need more of them?

Well the Tories solution is to simply make up numbers and say there are the new nurses

 

[Horses Arse]

If you are,well what's wrong with that ?

Absolutely nothing. It's a sign of the conservative policy on education coming good, coupled with media alignment success.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I think you just said something a little positive. You sound just like some of my relatives from Luebeck whos son has mental problems. Always moaning they get no help.

Lovely stuff.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I think people should have private medical insurance. Nothing wrong with a bit of queue jumping if you can afford it. If you can't, wait your turn with the great unwashed

I agree.

Except....NHS docs moonlight in private practice? They use NHS facilities to do private practice. This was the deal made when labour invented the NHS, because labour needed a sop to bring the medics on board.

And of course the state massively subsidises a medic's education in the UK, then does not demand a cut when they go off to private practice.

If private medicine was truly that, private universities, students funded by mummy and daddy, and no leaching off the NHS, its training, facilities and infrastructure, fine.

But it isn't.

Corbyn missed a trick with this. I'd be happy to write labour's manifesto pledge on private medicine. Absolutely in favour of it - but not queue jumping in the NHS which always puts the non-private patient at the back of the queue - to see the consultant, to get an appointment for surgery, chemo, etc.

This is how the conservatives are turning back the clock - the more they underfund the NHS (inadequate increases in funding is sufficient) the more those with the cash will go private, which undermines the NHS....not rocket science....politics.

This is where I am red in tooth and claw. Not wrt renationalising British Gas. FFS.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Yep, my wife and I are in our late twenties and both are.

You might need this.

 

[Fungus]

Then I clearly don't understand their meanings as I thought working class and middle class were two different groups of society

Strictly speaking, if you have to sell your time and labour to earn a living, then you are working class.
But people also use "working class" as a (usually derogatory) term to describe social class - how good your manners are, whether you drive a fancy car, have professional qualifications, have a big house, or watch Eastenders and are a "pleb".
Of course some working class earn more than others, and like to differentiate by calling themselves "middle class". But they'd still be broke if they lost the ability to work.

 

[nicko31]

So the desperate A & E figures , worst ever waiting times are wrong then

Shortest waiting times since records began in 2010, longest waiting times since records became in 2020

Health inflation running at 4%, 2010-2020 invest around 1.5%

Have the working class been gaslit?

 

[Weststander]

You might need this.

Funny, but based on a series of McDonnell lies. Many millions more were going to face very significant increases in direct taxation under the suicidal Labour Manifesto. Which was explained many times on the election thread. Then Andrew Neil destroyed Corbyn on this very point in the TV interview. Finally, the IFS said Labour’s figures “were not credible”.

The rest is history.