[Football] Are we heading back to the "bad old days"?

[Superphil]

These are extremely tough times we're living in. People are skint (or worse) and miserable. The issues you describe are not confined to football - but it's obvious why football can be a prime opportunity for poor and miserable people to release these urges of violence and intoxication. Besides, everything that happens in football is more visible than what goes on in every day life.

People getting wasted on drugs, traveling up and down the country, mobile phones to record their escapades, sporting the latest in (very expensive) hoolie designer gear, buying EPL match tickets. Skint?
You appear have a very strange understanding of things, in particular here in regards to the word skint.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Just a symptom of gaining thousands of new “fans”.

Plus because we are in the PL we will get an hooligan element that aren’t interested in supporting, it’s just an excuse to get into a ground and ruck with top tier supporters.

You haven't read the OP properly. I'm not talking about Brighton in the main.

 

[Bozza]

Millwall fans weren't best pleased that Blackburn came back from 3-1 down to win, meaning Millwall missed out on the play-offs...

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Is it happening more, or is it just being filmed more as everyone now has a camera phone?

Always been a decent amounts of twats at football, seems to just be highlighted more.

Saying that, there seems to be more violence in general, London seems to become more of a no go area every week.

 

[Eeyore]

One of things that makes it more apparent is that not much gets missed these days. In the old days we wouldn't have known about it. So it may be no worse.

I don't get why anyone would start a bundle knowing that plod will soon see it somewhere.

Not attending games, I know nothing of this new culture and Albion is a very sedate place anyway. I keep hearing about the use of cocaine being on the increase. I do wonder if this is a thing. Such a dirty drug.

Now if they all took MDNA they would be back to clapping the away attendance and giving the opposition fags a big hug after securing a last minute away win.

 

[Bozza]

Related to the above...

 

[wellquickwoody]

Just a symptom of gaining thousands of new “fans”.

Plus because we are in the PL we will get an hooligan element that aren’t interested in supporting, it’s just an excuse to get into a ground and ruck with top tier supporters.

There are very, very few so called ‘hooligans’ that are not supporters/fans/diehard fans of their clubs. Do try to not follow that pathetic mantra from mainstream news sources as it is utter bollocks. Many of those who saved our club were wrongly labelled as so called hooligans.

 

[Napper]

youngsters first reaction to anything is to film it.

Blokes have always been blokes . Same as any town centre at weekends up and down the country.

Nob heads everywhere

Not really massive issue

 

[wellquickwoody]

Seen lots of videos of what appears to be organised football violence over the last 2 or 3 years.

Examples - Burnley at many away days this season, Leeds home and away, Wolves at home, ManC in the Etihad seem to be getting away with whatever they want attacking all their English opponents and well as all European visitors. Some Everton supporters were convicted last week of attacking a Liverpool pub. Then the Everton attack on Millwall supporters in 2019, one of whom got slashed, apparently revengw for knifings in the 60’s!

The police repeatedly talk about the Cocaine/alcohol cocktail. These thicko’s become brave men in the little minds.

2019?? Four years ago, isolated incident. Too much mock indignation here.

 

[Guinness Boy]

It's not obvious at all. Either he's suggesting that the people involved are not poor (which at least some of them certainly are, if not the overwhelming majority), or it is in fact a wealthier contingent that is now getting involved with this behaviour.

Crime, drug use and violence is in an upward trend across the board in this country, which is clearly as a result of life discontenment drawn from extreme economic difficulty, amongst other instigating factors. It is not a football problem, it is a societal one.

I'd suggest you research the cost of genuine Stone Island, of even the cheapest train tickets, a couple of grams of coke and 10-20 pints of lager. And both Brighton and Bournemouth are talking about issues in their highest loyalty tier which mean these people go every week. I don't always agree with @Chicken Run but he's spot on to pick you up on this. It's literally nothing to do with poverty. Those affected by that are in food banks on the weekend or working a second job.

 

[HangletonGull]

One of things that makes it more apparent is that not much gets missed these days. In the old days we wouldn't have known about it. So it may be no worse.

I don't get why anyone would start a bundle knowing that plod will soon see it somewhere.

Not attending games, I know nothing of this new culture and Albion is a very sedate place anyway. I keep hearing about the use of cocaine being on the increase. I do wonder if this is a thing. Such a dirty drug.

Now if they all took MDNA they would be back to clapping the away attendance and giving the opposition fags a big hug after securing a last minute away win.

That’s the problem now people are taking enough coke to kill a small elephant before games

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

These are extremely tough times we're living in. People are skint (or worse) and miserable. The issues you describe are not confined to football - but it's obvious why football can be a prime opportunity for poor and miserable people to release these urges of violence and intoxication. Besides, everything that happens in football is more visible than what goes on in every day life.

Not sure that following PL football is a poor man's sport....

 

[LamieRobertson]

I blame Haalands Dad for allegedly flicking peanuts at Real Madrid supporters

 

[chaileyjem]

No. Football attendance and fans are in the middle of a boom from the PL through to the grassroots with more fans since the immediate post war peak - ie: 70 years , and more younger fans, women fans than ever before, more global fans, all sat in better stadiums and with fewer arrests than ever before and crime at football and in society in general is in long term decline. This is just anecdotal, ad hoc incidents which sadly still exist amplified by social media but are frankly pretty rare. (Wembley at the Euros aside) Football has actually - and of course there's issues about finance , ownership, referee abuse etc in grassroots (take your pick) , racism, cost, dominance of tv, fan engagement and so on - to coin a phrase never had it so good...

Boom time: Why attendances are spiking and football has never meant more

The average attendance across all four of English football's divisions is 17,826, the highest since 1951-52. Here's why…

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[Whitechapel]

If any of the people claiming it’s because drugs have got cheaper could give me their dealers number that would be great

 

[Albion in the north]

I blame the bottle tops.

 

[BigBod]

Nah, when the old bill start taking me laces outta me Docs then I'll say we're back to the good ol days...

 

[Mustafa II]

I'd suggest you research the cost of genuine Stone Island, of even the cheapest train tickets, a couple of grams of coke and 10-20 pints of lager. And both Brighton and Bournemouth are talking about issues in their highest loyalty tier which mean these people go every week. I don't always agree with @Chicken Run but he's spot on to pick you up on this. It's literally nothing to do with poverty. Those affected by that are in food banks on the weekend or working a second job.

I understand why you and others think like this, but I'm an active member of personal finance communities, and you would not believe how common it is for people from low/no earners to high earning professionals to get themselves in tens of thousands of pounds worth of debt through spending on things they cannot afford - through credit cards, personal loans, pay day loans, overdrafts and private debts.... and it is an incredibly stressful experience being reminded of these debts, often leading into even more impulsive spending. Have you heard of Klarna? Any person with any credit history can buy a stone island jacket and not pay a penny for it... until the debt collecters come around for 10 times more than what they might have paid for it initially.

Judging people by what they have managed to buy is absolutely no indication of the health of their finances... in fact, the more financially stable people are, the more likely to have a considerably more modest wardrobe and lifestyle.

This forum full of home owning middle agers probably can't quite grasp how much people are being pushed economically, so frequently being forced into debt. Crime, violence and drug use is up, almost in direct correlation with personal debt... It is completely understandable why football fans will continue to spend money on this hightly emotive hobby, and why these things are becoming more prominant in football, just like they are everywhere else in society.

 

[Stat Brother]

Yep, I've noticed more fisticuffs on my timeline.
I've gone from, 'oh blimey', through 'not even clicking' to where I am now 'block'.

I just can't be doing with it, but sadly 18 year old Jnr absolutely loves it (as I would have done a bazillion years ago).

 

[Guinness Boy]

I understand why you and others think like this, but I'm an active member of personal finance communities, and you would not believe how common it is for people from low/no earners to high earning professionals to get themselves in tens of thousands of pounds worth of debt through spending on things they cannot afford - through credit cards, personal loans, pay day loans, overdrafts and private debts.... and it is an incredibly stressful experience being reminded of these debts, often leading into even more impulsive spending. Have you heard of Klarna? Any person with any credit history can buy a stone island jacket and not pay a penny for it... until the debt collecters come around for 10 times more than what they might have paid for it initially.

Judging people by what they have managed to buy is absolutely no indication of the health of their finances... in fact, the more financially stable people are, the more likely to have a considerably more modest wardrobe and lifestyle.

This forum full of home owning middle agers probably can't quite grasp how much people are being pushed economically, so frequently being forced into debt. Crime, violence and drug use is up, almost in direct correlation with personal debt... It is completely understandable why football fans will continue to spend money on this hightly emotive hobby, and why these things are becoming more prominant in football, just like they are everywhere else in society.

Of course I've heard of Klarna. If you know of a drug dealer that's partnered with them I reckon @Whitechapel will probably take their details via PM.