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DavidinSouthampton

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Jan 3, 2012
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...and if they find out the government DID do it? What then?

If they find out the rebels do it, what then?

I have no appitite for another war either, and I was against both the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but can we really sit back and watch a dictator using chemical weapons on people?

Don't worry, hybrid-x reassures us it hasn't happened, so we don't need to react.

But, back in the real world......... I agree with you. We need to be as sure as we can of what is going on, but to stand back and watch innocent people suffer and die is difficult.
 


A harkening mouse squeaked in the hardening darkness. Many years ago down these dusty dank corridors, a youthful Henry VIII swung his bat to volley back, in the first games of tennis. Centuries of misdeeds, such as launching attacks on the French had passed. Westminster Palace had been replaced by decision makers and late night lambasters; some good, some indifferent, of which could be heard, a low bass like drone around the end corridor.

The Security Guard never saw him and no camera recorded anything. Saint-Germain had come for a visit in the catacombs of power. His embroidered velvet coat swished in the light breeze. Like a ghost with ball and chain dragging it along lamentably burdened as if an endless Sisyphus. A heavy thought crossed his perplexed mind. The ghost of remembering and collective amnesia. The Security Guard was watching a film in the early hours; The Deer Hunter, the strings elicited sympathy for US servicemen and women lost in a distant war.

A cupboard creaked along its aged hinges. Nobody was here, yet someone distinctly was here. The sentient hand brushed some rogue clinging dust from the papers. Someone important had said recently the world was outraged by 100 years of chemical weapons usage. Saint-Germain looked at the figures written on the yellowing paper. They recounted how the Vietnam War had; devastated three countries, killed 4 million people (mostly poor rural farmers) and 11 million gallons of Agent Orange were dropped, effectively destroying the ecology of vast tracts of land. The ghost uttered a long sigh as if to rebut any inkling of this collective amnesia: history is for story tellers, some true and many embroiled in falsehoods.

Saint-Germain looked up quizzically and realised he needed to get back to Versailles and another date in history, which needed his presence. The Immortal Count fixed his eyes on the rain howling through the windows. A barely audible clap of shoe sounds echoed off the walls, followed by a haze of silk and velvet stalking off into the dark.
 








The Antikythera Mechanism

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Aug 7, 2003
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Chemical weapons are the tip of the iceberg, it's biological weapons, falling into the wrong hands that will result in (to quote H.G.Wells) the rout of civilisation, the massacre of mankind.

As early as the 14th century, plague infested bodies were being catapulted over city walls. There isn't much that man won't stoop to, unfortunately.

http://www.britannica.com/Encyclopedia Britannica/biological weapons
 


Dandyman

In London village.






Dandyman

In London village.
Yep , read the link and can find absolutely no mention of invasion whatsoever , struggling to understand what you hoped to achieve by posting it.

Do you seriously think "military action" against Syria would not escalate ?
 


Mellor 3 Ward 4

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Jul 27, 2004
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saaf of the water
Do you seriously think "military action" against Syria would not escalate ?

As I said in my original post on this thread, there is certainly no appetite in either Washington or London 'to put boots on the ground'

As a matter of interest , IF it is proven, 100% guaranteed, that it was the Assad regime that committed these acts, would you still not back any military action?

If not, what exactly would you do?
 






Dandyman

In London village.
As I said in my original post on this thread, there is certainly no appetite in either Washington or London 'to put boots on the ground'

As a matter of interest , IF it is proven, 100% guaranteed, that it was the Assad regime that committed these acts, would you still not back any military action?

If not, what exactly would you do?

Any intervention in Syria would be a disaster. I very much doubt it can be proven who was responsible for the attack but if it were the Assad regime, I would apply sanctions and offer humanitarian aid.

The US and UK are not motivated by humanitarian concerns - if we were the Saudis, Bahrain, and all the other vile thugs our government is happy to be best buddies with would genuinely have cause for concern.
 


Buzzer

Languidly Clinical
Oct 1, 2006
26,121
A harkening mouse squeaked in the hardening darkness. Many years ago down these dusty dank corridors, a youthful Henry VIII swung his bat to volley back, in the first games of tennis. Centuries of misdeeds, such as launching attacks on the French had passed. Westminster Palace had been replaced by decision makers and late night lambasters; some good, some indifferent, of which could be heard, a low bass like drone around the end corridor.

The Security Guard never saw him and no camera recorded anything. Saint-Germain had come for a visit in the catacombs of power. His embroidered velvet coat swished in the light breeze. Like a ghost with ball and chain dragging it along lamentably burdened as if an endless Sisyphus. A heavy thought crossed his perplexed mind. The ghost of remembering and collective amnesia. The Security Guard was watching a film in the early hours; The Deer Hunter, the strings elicited sympathy for US servicemen and women lost in a distant war.

A cupboard creaked along its aged hinges. Nobody was here, yet someone distinctly was here. The sentient hand brushed some rogue clinging dust from the papers. Someone important had said recently the world was outraged by 100 years of chemical weapons usage. Saint-Germain looked at the figures written on the yellowing paper. They recounted how the Vietnam War had; devastated three countries, killed 4 million people (mostly poor rural farmers) and 11 million gallons of Agent Orange were dropped, effectively destroying the ecology of vast tracts of land. The ghost uttered a long sigh as if to rebut any inkling of this collective amnesia: history is for story tellers, some true and many embroiled in falsehoods.

Saint-Germain looked up quizzically and realised he needed to get back to Versailles and another date in history, which needed his presence. The Immortal Count fixed his eyes on the rain howling through the windows. A barely audible clap of shoe sounds echoed off the walls, followed by a haze of silk and velvet stalking off into the dark.


Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco?
 






Dandyman

In London village.






Buzzer

Languidly Clinical
Oct 1, 2006
26,121
I confess to being absolutely clueless about this issue but can anyone answer me this please - can we afford it? Does the UK get reimbursed by the UN for doing its work (assuming the UN approve action of some sort).

I thought the military budget and personnel was at breaking point as it is. And as bad as what's going on over there I really don't want more dead soldiers fighting a dubious war.
 




Buzzer

Languidly Clinical
Oct 1, 2006
26,121
There is no way he is Blue Peter. Blue Peter would be delighted that the Arabs are slaughtering themselves and basking in the glory of it.

Yup. There would be less conspiracy videos and more cut and pastes from Zionist sites. Hybrid is just Brunswick under another guise.
 


Dandyman

In London village.
Wow.

So if it is proven, without any doubt that it was the Assad regime who did this, you would apply sanctions?

That's going to stop them gassing kids isn't it.

Probably not - but given the death toll and omnishambles in Iraq, are you seriously say a Western Intervention, more funding for the Islamists in the rebel forces, an escalation of sectarian conflict and even more incentives for the Arab and Muslim nations to trust us even less than they already do would be a winner ?
 


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