Anyone else quite happy if we stay in the championship for a few seasons?

[Peter Grummit]

We can't choose to just coast in the Champ. The reality in football as in life is that if you don't progress, you end up going backwards. My yardstick for success is that we progress each season. On the pitch, so far, this season is very much like the last. But I think we have progressed in other ways:

1. Bigger stadium
2. Bigger crowds
3. Better squad
4. Progress with the academy

Moving forward is not about Premiership or bust. I'll be happy if we finish higher than last season.

PG

 

[Bold Seagull]

Well if the criteria was spend 6/7seasons in the Championship then you get promoted I suppose we'll have to wait behind teams like Leeds, Ipswich, Forest and Derby.

Cardiff have been perceptually changing, turning over players and a couple of changes of manager. This season they've thrown a load more money at it so I'm not sure what your point is. I'd say time probably ranks well down on the list of criteria of a promoted team and the reason many of the non relegated clubs who do get promoted have it is because it's just so difficult to get promoted (and will become increasingly difficult)

Why will it become increasingly difficult? If we continue to improve the team, as a club we will grow in confidence and feel established at this level.

We've improved as a team, but 2nd season was always going to be hard as teams figure you out from the first season. We've improved a lot even if our league position is similar to last. Interestingly, excluding the 1 season teams coming straight through or straight back up, in the recent past I can't find anyone doing after just 2 seasons.

Prior to promotion, no. of season in Championship for the following promoted teams:
Reading 4
QPR 7
Swansea 3
B'Pool 3
Hull 3
Watford 6
Burnley 9

It's not about waiting as you put it, it's about steady progression, improving the team and gaining experience. You're suggesting it gets harder to the longer you wait, I'm just saying that isn't really the case - it's always hard, you need certain things to click, and perhaps a touch of luck (something I feel we've not really had this year whereas we probably had more than our fair share last.).

 

[Bold Seagull]

Sensible post.

The FFP rules are stringent and will be enforced. All 72 clubs are in it together.

This means the vast parachute payment clubs will have a competitive advantage.

From now on in, TB can only subsidise capital projects like Lancing, and not the playing/operating/overheads side of things.

So the skill or not of the manager will now be everything.

The parachute payments already give the relegated teams a massive advantage. The FFP will actually mean that despite the 3 relegated teams financial advantage, everyone else will be on a level playing field, whereas before you've always had a few teams going shit or bust, or having external money pumped in like QPR.

I actually think it will give clubs like ours a better chance.

 

[HastingsSeagull]

JUST stay in it no. Keep finishing top half and have a bit of drama in and out of play-offs then yes for sure. Not in any rush to go up as long as we making progress

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Why will it become increasingly difficult? If we continue to improve the team, as a club we will grow in confidence and feel established at this level.

We've improved as a team, but 2nd season was always going to be hard as teams figure you out from the first season. We've improved a lot even if our league position is similar to last. Interestingly, excluding the 1 season teams coming straight through or straight back up, in the recent past I can't find anyone doing after just 2 seasons.

Prior to promotion, no. of season in Championship for the following promoted teams:
Reading 4
QPR 7
Swansea 3
B'Pool 3
Hull 3
Watford 6
Burnley 9

It's not about waiting as you put it, it's about steady progression, improving the team and gaining experience. You're suggesting it gets harder to the longer you wait, I'm just saying that isn't really the case - it's always hard, you need certain things to click, and perhaps a touch of luck (something I feel we've not really had this year whereas we probably had more than our fair share last.).

Good post.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

I always RANT on these kind of threads as it basically goes against the whole IDEA of watching football.

There is a huge difference between 'wanting' to stay in this division and not being too 'disappointed' if we stay in it.

I can sympathise with the logic of 'If we don't go up, at least we are still in an exciting division' as that's fair enough. Each game is brilliantly close and unpredictable. It's an awesome division and it softens the blow somewhat.

However I can't STAND the mentality of 'I dont want to go up' (not suggesting thats the OP's view). The whole IDEA of football is to score more than the opposition. If we score more we win. If we win we get more points. If we get more points we do better in the league. If we do as well as possible we go up. Scoring a goal is the first step to getting promoted. If you don't want us to go up then, by default, you must constantly hope that we don't do our very best in each individual match. It defies the whole LOGIC of watching a team.

I ALWAYS use this example, but that's because it's the best one I have. Then-Forest manager Billy Davies, upon missing out on the playoffs, stated that he was "happy" to have done so as he felt they would have been going up "too soon".

Needless to say Forest have not gone up since. If you get a chance you HAVE to take it. If you get promotion you deserve it.

polite-rant over. x

 

[Steve.S]

I do not think its all or nothing this season as some on here would have us believe. Some people seem to think that if we do not get promoted we will lose everything.
The idea around getting a 30,000 stadium and building the academy is so that we can have one of the best facilities in the country and that should attract players in the future. We are building, makes no difference if any player or Gus leaves, we would have the infrastructure in place. Swansea have not suffered with 3 managers leaving in the last few years. Yes we will lose players like bridge, Liam, Will and who ever. But lets remember they came to a championship club. It was never a guarantee that we would go up.We will be a club that can challenge for the premiership and that will attract players in. Any pundit will tell you that this is one of the hardest leagues to get out of.

 

[chucky1973]

happy with championship. good standard and good teams.

we will go up when we are ready and i dont think we are ready yet. not consistant enough.

 

[Gully Forever]

I don't want Brighton to stay in the Championship, We will forever remain a feeder club, Constantly selling our best players.
As we have the foundation and support to be at least a mid table premier League side, Staying in the Championship for too many season would be detrimental i think.

 

[Brighton Mod]

It's a great competitive division, loads of decent towns cities, pubs to visit. A good few biggish teams to play and also the chance of a win in most games. I would love us to get to the Premier league but can we have a few more years at this level first and enjoy the ride, as i for one once the novelty has worn of dont much fancy a stuffing week in week out and paying £45 - £50 a match for the privilege.

Just like the afternoon out at the Amex, we're not going up this year too inconsistent, the side constantly changing and tactics, hmm. WE all need to enjoy what we have, its about the ambitions of our Chairman, I wouldn't want to see us in the same plane crash as is going to happen at Loftus Road,

 

[S'hampton Seagull]

I always RANT on these kind of threads as it basically goes against the whole IDEA of watching football.

There is a huge difference between 'wanting' to stay in this division and not being too 'disappointed' if we stay in it.

I can sympathise with the logic of 'If we don't go up, at least we are still in an exciting division' as that's fair enough. Each game is brilliantly close and unpredictable. It's an awesome division and it softens the blow somewhat.

However I can't STAND the mentality of 'I dont want to go up' (not suggesting thats the OP's view). The whole IDEA of football is to score more than the opposition. If we score more we win. If we win we get more points. If we get more points we do better in the league. If we do as well as possible we go up. Scoring a goal is the first step to getting promoted. If you don't want us to go up then, by default, you must constantly hope that we don't do our very best in each individual match. It defies the whole LOGIC of watching a team.

I ALWAYS use this example, but that's because it's the best one I have. Then-Forest manager Billy Davies, upon missing out on the playoffs, stated that he was "happy" to have done so as he felt they would have been going up "too soon".

Needless to say Forest have not gone up since. If you get a chance you HAVE to take it. If you get promotion you deserve it.

polite-rant over. x

 

[Rugrat]

Why will it become increasingly difficult? If we continue to improve the team, as a club we will grow in confidence and feel established at this level.

We've improved as a team, but 2nd season was always going to be hard as teams figure you out from the first season. We've improved a lot even if our league position is similar to last. Interestingly, excluding the 1 season teams coming straight through or straight back up, in the recent past I can't find anyone doing after just 2 seasons.

Prior to promotion, no. of season in Championship for the following promoted teams:

Reading 4
QPR 7
Swansea 3
B'Pool 3
Hull 3
Watford 6
Burnley 9

It's not about waiting as you put it, it's about steady progression, improving the team and gaining experience. You're suggesting it gets harder to the longer you wait, I'm just saying that isn't really the case - it's always hard, you need certain things to click, and perhaps a touch of luck (something I feel we've not really had this year whereas we probably had more than our fair share last.).

Increasingly difficult because the size of the parachutes for relegated clubs increases next season at the same time as clubs in the Championship have to rein back their spending. Of course most clubs going up have spent a few seasons in this league but I'd argue that's more to do with the difficulty for anyone to get up ahead of a relegated club than it is to do with the time gained in this league, there's an element of lottery too! I don't refute entirely the viewpoint of building and gaining experience it's not just one that I'd subscribe to

 

[Bold Seagull]

Increasingly difficult because the size of the parachutes for relegated clubs increases next season at the same time as clubs in the Championship have to rein back their spending. Of course most clubs going up have spent a few seasons in this league but I'd argue that's more to do with the difficulty for anyone to get up ahead of a relegated club than it is to do with the time gained in this league, there's an element of lottery too! I don't refute entirely the viewpoint of building and gaining experience it's not just one that I'd subscribe to

Fair enough, but I would argue that we are still only part way through a 3rd full season into a process preceding which was a complete shambles. On another thread someone has said Gus has failed if we don't make the playoff's this year which I think harsh to say the least.

I still haven't written this season off though. 5 pts off the play offs with 51 points still to play for is still a long way to go.

 

[Rugrat]

Fair enough, but I would argue that we are still only part way through a 3rd full season into a process preceding which was a complete shambles. On another thread someone has said Gus has failed if we don't make the playoff's this year which I think harsh to say the least.

I still haven't written this season off though. 5 pts off the play offs with 51 points still to play for is still a long way to go.

Gus is doing fine, regardless ... that's not to say he doesn't irritate the f*** out of me from time to time. I don't expect us to get promoted this year and won't see it as a failure. But if, as I expect, we further strengthen for next year, a minimum of play offs would be a reasonable minimum expectation.

 

[Weststander]

I always RANT on these kind of threads as it basically goes against the whole IDEA of watching football.

There is a huge difference between 'wanting' to stay in this division and not being too 'disappointed' if we stay in it.

I can sympathise with the logic of 'If we don't go up, at least we are still in an exciting division' as that's fair enough. Each game is brilliantly close and unpredictable. It's an awesome division and it softens the blow somewhat.

However I can't STAND the mentality of 'I dont want to go up' (not suggesting thats the OP's view). The whole IDEA of football is to score more than the opposition. If we score more we win. If we win we get more points. If we get more points we do better in the league. If we do as well as possible we go up. Scoring a goal is the first step to getting promoted. If you don't want us to go up then, by default, you must constantly hope that we don't do our very best in each individual match. It defies the whole LOGIC of watching a team.

I ALWAYS use this example, but that's because it's the best one I have. Then-Forest manager Billy Davies, upon missing out on the playoffs, stated that he was "happy" to have done so as he felt they would have been going up "too soon".

Needless to say Forest have not gone up since. If you get a chance you HAVE to take it. If you get promotion you deserve it.

polite-rant over. x

Good post.

The NSC posts last August were almost invariably: We're heading for top 6 with our squad.

The Sheff Weds embarrassment finally hit home, because flexible thinking converted this into, "wanting to stay in this division", or "not being too 'disappointed' if we stay in it".

To be usurped in August 2013 with We're heading for top 6 with our squad.

 

[SI 4 BHA]

Tony Bloom has not spent the best part of £120m building the ground and funding the training facility to be an inconsistant mid table Championship side. There are very few clubs in the country where an individual chairman has spent so much of his own money. What he is ensuring is that the infastucture of the club is in place to sustain Premiership football. When we manage to get promoted, most of the playing staff will be surplus to requirements and we will see a huge influx of better and more experienced players. I think Southampton brought in 8 players in the summer who cost at least £1/2m so it really doesn't matter who is playing now and whether they are good enough for the Prem. Unfortunately, rather like turkeys voting for Christmas, most players who get us up won't be around to enjoy the Premiership!

 

[Bold Seagull]

Gus is doing fine, regardless ... that's not to say he doesn't irritate the f*** out of me from time to time. I don't expect us to get promoted this year and won't see it as a failure. But if, as I expect, we further strengthen for next year, a minimum of play offs would be a reasonable minimum expectation.

We are now in full agreement!

 

[Rugrat]

We are now in full agreement!