And people wonder why Labour is 10+ points behind the Tories.

[portslade seagull]

What as opposed to the tories who have managed to double national debt to 1.5 trillion and presided over the worst social and public health service crisis ever.

Think you will find the last Labour disaster added a fair chunk of that which we are still paying for.

 

[wellquickwoody]

What as opposed to the tories who have managed to double national debt to 1.5 trillion and presided over the worst social and public health service crisis ever.

Ahh, you suffering from medium to long term memory loss can be the only explanation for such a ridiculous comment.

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

Think you will find the last Labour disaster added a fair chunk of that which we are still paying for.

The tories has doubled national debt in five years, from £850 billion to £1.5 trillion.

It is laughable that after 6 years you tory boys still blame labour, when will you admit the tories are at fault. And what have the tories achieved apart from grossly underfunding social services and the NHS, and overseen years of stagnant wage growth.

 

[Wardy's twin]

can someone please tell me what they mean by 'working class'

 

[portslade seagull]

The tories has doubled national debt in five years, from £850 billion to £1.5 trillion.

It is laughable that after 6 years you tory boys still blame labour, when will you admit the tories are at fault. And what have the tories achieved apart from grossly underfunding social services and the NHS, and overseen years of stagnant wage growth.

Not a Tory boy at all. Have never voted for them. Labour ruined the country. No matter who followed them, they were always onto a loser

 

[beorhthelm]

The tories has doubled national debt in five years, from £850 billion to £1.5 trillion.

It is laughable that after 6 years you tory boys still blame labour, when will you admit the tories are at fault. And what have the tories achieved apart from grossly underfunding social services and the NHS, and overseen years of stagnant wage growth.

do you want there to be more cuts to reign in the spending of the state? obviously not, as you complain of underfunding. so you want us all taxed more, about 8-10p on basic will balance the books? (the 50p raises about 2bn before you suggest that). whats its to be, cut the costs or raise more revenue?

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

do you want there to be more cuts to reign in the spending of the state? obviously not, as you complain of underfunding. so you want us all taxed more, about 8-10p on basic will balance the books? (the 50p raises about 2bn before you suggest that). whats its to be, cut the costs or raise more revenue?

As Corbyn put forward at his speech to the CBI there's an argument that corporation tax should be increased in order to invest in key infrastructure, that would create real jobs and improve our productivity. More should also be done to cut corporate tax avoidance. All the tories are achieving is a race to the bottom, no security minimum wage jobs, record breaking homelessness and the elderly taking up space in hospitals because of underfunded social care.

Again the tories have doubled national debt, it continues to grow and they have achieved nothing in doing so other than continually break their own fiscal targets and announce u-turn after u-turn. Let's not mention their approach to Brexit, which comprises making trite viscous platitudes.

 

[beorhthelm]

As Corbyn put forward at his speech to the CBI there's an argument that corporation tax should be increased in order to invest in key infrastructure, that would create real jobs and improve our productivity. More should also be done to cut corporate tax avoidance. All the tories are achieving is a race to the bottom, no security minimum wage jobs, record breaking homelessness and the elderly taking up space in hospitals because of underfunded social care.

Again the tories have doubled national debt, it continues to grow and they have achieved nothing in doing so other than continually break their own fiscal targets and announce u-turn after u-turn. Let's not mention their approach to Brexit, which comprises making trite viscous platitudes.

there is certainly an arguement for some targeted infrastructure investment, in roads for example, unfortunatly they take time and are opposed locally, while other "key infrastructure" projects like schools and hospitals, while needed, do not improve economic productivity. corporation tax is unproductive, reducing economic activity and costing jobs. it raises about £44bn so to raise £10bn you'd need to add 5%, and taking £10bn of investment out of private sector. tax avoidance is largely due to the labyrinthine tax system that successive Chancellors use to favour pet policies and projects, so which industry or group of people would you like to have their tax reliefs removed?

Corbyn's policy is to extend the debt further, while making some punative taxes on business and wealthy, but no where near enough to actualy balance the books, so the deficit would increase further. why are you accepting of that and not when it happens under a Tory government? the fact is to address the deficit you have to either take more from the wider public (income tax, NIC, VAT, petrol and alcohol duties take about 85% of the total revenue), cut spending, or grow the economy to catch up. current government policy is to do the latter but its a longer journey. if you want quicker results you must choose more taxes or substantial cuts.

personally i'd raid the overseas development for at least half its funding, and set pension relief to only basic rate. that would raise >£20bn and be hugely popular with the wider public but not so popular with MPs and newspaper columist from left and right, who'd raise merry hell over each policy respectively. so the chancellor bottles it everytime its floated.

 

[Leekbrookgull]

Do you seriously blame Tories for the national debt? Seriously? Do you remember what Gordon brown was proposing to do if he won? "Spend our way out of recession". Tories have cut as much as they dare and raised taxes too. The debt increased due to inertia and 13 years of Labour.

Yep,like Gordon,s Gold sales and how much has that cost us ?

 

[drew]

Yep,like Gordon,s Gold sales and how much has that cost us ?

How much has it cost us then?

http://www.silverdoctors.com/gold/g...ritains-gold-to-save-goldman-sachs-jp-morgan/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/ampp3d/final-word-gordon-browns-gold-5614853

 

[RexCathedra]

Pensioners to be charged £26 'falling fee' to be helped back to their feet by local council

A district council said it would introduce the fee on top of the existing cost of a subscription to its service for elderly people who require home care
Pensioners who need help being helped back to their feet after a fall at home will be charged £26 by their local council.
Tendring District Council said it would introduce the fee as part of its Careline service for elderly people who require home care.