Albions first foreign manager

[Big Jim]

I remember reading this online in the argus/ hearing it in the press conference.

"Tony Millard has just told Poyet he is Albion's first foreign manager. He replied: "I didn't know that, I'm very proud. I hope I'm not the shortest-lived manager as well!" The new boss seems to be enjoying this. "

Wasn't Liam Brady classed as being foreign?

 

[raymondbriggs]

Mark McGhee- haggis muncher
Archie Macaulay-haggis muncher

Charlie Webb -Irish
Pat saward- Irish
Liam Brady-Irish
But he is the first true Johnny Foreigner

 

[Trufflehound]

Alan Mulleri
Brian Cluv
Russ El-Slade


Jimmy Melia sounds a bit foreign too.

 

[raymondbriggs]

[QUOTE Jimmy Melia sounds a bit foreign too.[/QUOTE]

thats the scouse accent for you.

 

[Tooting Gull]

Micky wouldn't be happy. He hated 'designer' foreign managers...

 

[Big Jim]

Mark McGhee- haggis muncher
Archie Macaulay-haggis muncher

Charlie Webb -Irish
Pat saward- Irish
Liam Brady-Irish
But he is the first true Johnny Foreigner

Could argue that Scots, Welsh Northern Irish are British/ UK so not foreign, whereas Rep of Ireland is definately not part of the UK/ Britain or whatever, so therefore foreign imo.

 

[Superphil]

What about Mark McGhee?

 

[Mustela Furo]

lots of debate over legal definition of Southern Ireland citizens.

Naylor today refers to him as first "continental" manager - which I guess is a better description

 

[Gully]

Naylor got that wrong didn't he...unless he specified which continent!

Uruguay wasn't in Europe last time I looked.

 

[Robdinho]

lots of debate over legal definition of Southern Ireland citizens.

Naylor today refers to him as first "continental" manager - which I guess is a better description

Doesn't 'continental' refer to europeans though?

Edit: Too slow!

 

[Mustela Furo]

Naylor got that wrong didn't he...unless he specified which continent!

Uruguay wasn't in Europe last time I looked.

I thonk the assumption to be made is "of a different continent" i.e. non-European


Hell - maybe we are over-analysing this!

 

[Superphil]

Naylor is hardly going to let accuracy get in the way of anything he writes about the Albion now is he?

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Now if Andy Naylor had put "inter" before "continental" he would have been spot on

 

[Big Jim]

I thonk the assumption to be made is "of a different continent" i.e. non-European


Hell - maybe we are over-analysing this!

Just when I read/ heard it, I thought, hmm why make a comment at a press conference if it isn't really correct. I mean, why say it at all?

Southern Ireland is definately foreign to England. They even have Euro's, etc.

 

[Insider]

Did mention LB to TM before! He said, "Nah, he doesn't count."

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Could argue that Scots, Welsh Northern Irish are British/ UK so not foreign, whereas Rep of Ireland is definately not part of the UK/ Britain or whatever, so therefore foreign imo.

Charlie Webb was born in Dublin in 1886 - part of what was known between 1801 and 1927 as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (although this name was inaccurate after 1922).

 

[Mustela Furo]

let's not forget that the Ireland Act 1949 states that "The Republic of Ireland is not a foreign country".

The above means that while they don't qualify for UK citizenship they are also legally not foreign in the UK.

 

[fatbadger]

let's not forget that the Ireland Act 1949 states that "The Republic of Ireland is not a foreign country".

The above means that while they don't qualify for UK citizenship they are also legally not foreign in the UK.

I do think the key point is that RoI citizens cannot become British citizens without the usual process which applies to all foreign-born people. The 1949 Act only made that statement because otherwise the Republic's 1948 Republic of Ireland Act (when combined with the UK's various nationality laws) meant that the thousands of Irishmen living and working in the UK - a workforce which was crucial to postwar reconstruction - lost their right to do so.

There is also some argument that the provisions of early 1980s UK nationality laws, while not changing the status of the Republic as 'not a foreign country', did create a new distinction between Irish and UK citizens (particularly the blanket award of UK citizenship to those who had left the Republic prior to 1922, and their descendents). Thus, it may be argued that although the Republic is not a foreign country, its citizens are foreigners!

And, of course, in football terms - and we are talking about football here! - whereas theoretically anyone born in the UK can play for England (only a concordat between the home associations prevents this from happening), that doesn't apply to those born in the Republic of Ireland. Thus, unless he had a British parent or grandparent, Liam Brady couldn't play for England (or any of the other British national teams). In football terms, then, Brady is a foreigner.

 

[Spanish Seagulls]

What about Mark McGhee?

Does from another planet count?