Al Bangura Petition

[tedebear]

As I say (with your education I would have thought you could read) I have had personal experience of them and based on that and having worked for them this year they are everything I say. Ever tried disciplining a civil servant ? It's nie on impossible as they are more union orientated that any miner or car worker you have ever met.

I've had plenty of experience with them too - and I must say even though I found them pen pushers and very slow and jobsworthy, I never found them to lie or whatever you said "typical incompetent lazy lying bastard civil servants". I my case they are just enforcing the law which has been handed to them, they do it slowly and painfully but thats about it.

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

The guy came in as an un-accompanied minor. Rather than decide on the merits of his case then the agreed practice with un-accompanied minors is to give them leave to remain until their 18th birthday and then let them proceed with their claim.

One of the reasons he might have come here to seek asylum is that the UK government will consider cases, such as his, where the persecutor wasn't the state. Quite a lot of European countries e.g. France, Germany will dismiss any persecution that isn't state sponsored.

That said, its always going to be a difficult case to prove unless the state are non-existant. That used to be the case in Sierra Leone, but isn't now.

This used to be my job.

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

As I say (with your education I would have thought you could read) I have had personal experience of them and based on that and having worked for them this year they are everything I say. Ever tried disciplining a civil servant ? It's nie on impossible as they are more union orientated that any miner or car worker you have ever met.

Which part of the civil service were you working with. Pretty hard to compare someone working in a job centre from a Immifgration Offficer. The jobs are completely different.

 

[tedebear]

The guy came in as an un-accompanied minor. Rather than decide on the merits of his case then the agreed practice with un-accompanied minors is to give them leave to remain until their 18th birthday and then let them proceed with their claim.

One of the reasons he might have come here to seek asylum is that the UK government will consider cases, such as his, where the persecutor wasn't the state. Quite a lot of European countries e.g. France, Germany will dismiss any persecution that isn't state sponsored.

That said, its always going to be a difficult case to prove unless the state are non-existant. That used to be the case in Sierra Leone, but isn't now.

This used to be my job.

There you go - you learn something every day.

 

[ben andrews' girlfriend]

As I say (with your education I would have thought you could read) I have had personal experience of them and based on that and having worked for them this year they are everything I say. Ever tried disciplining a civil servant ? It's nie on impossible as they are more union orientated that any miner or car worker you have ever met.

If I couldn't read I wouldnt post on here! I love how you like to resort to cheap insults when someone tries to question your opinions.

So EVERY one of the "thousands" of security force are a) illegal immigrants and b) corrupt??

I've got friends working as security guards who are English, or Polish. Certainly not illegal immigrants, or corrupt!! You are making huge generalisations based on the minute contact you have had with them.

Isn't it ok to belong to a union, and contact them when there is a disciplinary going on? You can't just expect to discipline someone without unions getting involved, its the protection that people pay for when they sign up - it certainly is in my case!

But then I dont understand why you are talking about disciplinaries when the topic is about asylum seekers!!

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

How the hell did Watford manage to employ an illegal immigrant in the first place? They surely knew that he did not have the proper documents?

If the guy is genunely in danger than I thought it was against the law to repatriate him??

What were the "inconsistencies" referred to by the court in reference to his story??

If he is lying in an attempt to trick his way past the proper channels and is caught and proved to be so, then he should go. The law after all should apply equally to everyone..should'nt it??

Questions, Questions.

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

How the hell did Watford manage to employ an illegal immigrant in the first place? They surely knew that he did not have the proper documents?

If the guy is genunely in danger than I thought it was against the law to repatriate him??

What were the "inconsistencies" referred to by the court in reference to his story??

If he is lying in an attempt to trick his way past the proper channels and is caught and proved to be so, then he should go. The law after all should apply equally to everyone..should'nt it??

Questions, Questions.

He wasn't an illegal immigrant. He had leave to remain here so was allowed to work.

 

[bhaexpress]

I've had plenty of experience with them too - and I must say even though I found them pen pushers and very slow and jobsworthy, I never found them to lie or whatever you said "typical incompetent lazy lying bastard civil servants". I my case they are just enforcing the law which has been handed to them, they do it slowly and painfully but thats about it.

They have just plain lied to me and what really got me was that when I pointed out the response was 'Oh yes, so what ?' The whole point is that they are not subject to the same standards that people in other jobs are. If a civil servant makes a complete cock up (like losing millions of records as the IR has just had happen) it'll be the minister responsible who will be expected to resign not the actually culprit. It's the whole attitude that irritates me as they are mainly OIPs (Only Interested in Pension).

 

[BensGrandad]

I knew of a chap who came friom Zimbabwe and worked at a pub for 2 years paying his taxes etc and gaining his pub qualifications and licence and then was asked to take a pub himself as manager, for the company for whom he worked.

He was refused permission to stay in the country and even the old lady who was manageress of the pub where he worked offered to marry him if it meant he could stay, as she was not married to her partner, but this was all to no avail. He had to go back to his home.

Why is this footballer any different other than the fact that he earnt more and probably paid more tax.

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

They have just plain lied to me and what really got me was that when I pointed out the response was 'Oh yes, so what ?' The whole point is that they are not subject to the same standards that people in other jobs are. If a civil servant makes a complete cock up (like losing millions of records as the IR has just had happen) it'll be the minister responsible who will be expected to resign not the actually culprit. It's the whole attitude that irritates me as they are mainly OIPs (Only Interested in Pension).

The IR example is a poor one. As the person that resigned almost immedietly was the top civil servant responsible. I've heard that the actual person responsible was sacked.

Which Department were you dealing with?

 

[bhaexpress]

I knew of a chap who came friom Zimbabwe and worked at a pub for 2 years paying his taxes etc and gaining his pub qualifications and licence and then was asked to take a pub himself as manager, for the company for whom he worked.

He was refused permission to stay in the country and even the old lady who was manageress of the pub where he worked offered to marry him if it meant he could stay, as she was not married to her partner, but this was all to no avail. He had to go back to his home.

Why is this footballer any different other than the fact that he earnt more and probably paid more tax.

I think that the bloke is being made an example of because he is higher profile than a security guard. The message they are sending me personally reflects my previous posts.

 

[Wozza]

I knew of a chap who came friom Zimbabwe and worked at a pub for 2 years paying his taxes etc and gaining his pub qualifications and licence and then was asked to take a pub himself as manager, for the company for whom he worked.

He was refused permission to stay in the country and even the old lady who was manageress of the pub where he worked offered to marry him if it meant he could stay, as she was not married to her partner, but this was all to no avail. He had to go back to his home.

Why is this footballer any different other than the fact that he earnt more and probably paid more tax.

Was the publican's life under threat too?! :thud:

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

He wasn't an illegal immigrant. He had leave to remain here so was allowed to work.

Ah, I see.

Thanks.

 

[Grendel]

What were the "inconsistencies" referred to by the court in reference to his story??

I'd imagine it's to do with him saying in interviews that he had come to the U.K. to visit his uncle Eric, and used to phone his mother in Sierra Leone at least once a week. Strangely, he changed his story when it looked like he might get kicked out.

 

[Simster]

Personally I have faith in our civil servants making the right decision here.

The fact of the matter is that he should pack his bags after his 18th birthday if it proven that his life is no longer under threat. None of us know the facts and inconsisitencies apart from those at the hearing - so I'll take the word of people who best know how to do the job, rather than hearsay and conjecture based on half truths.

Two other things:-
tedebear, I have to take issue with your attitude towards exceptions. I simply don't think you can have exceptions to rules. There are guidelines that must be followed and I think that should be the way that it is.

Yorkie, why do you find it odd that commonwealth nation subjects find it harder to gain work/entry visas than EU citizens? It isn't 1951 any more. Most of our trade is done with the EU and they are our senior economic partners. Besides which, on a personal level, I like the idea of being able to live and work anywhere in Europe without needing to get a work visa. I actually value it far more than being able to do the same thing in most of the commonwealth.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

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[Bevendean Hillbilly]

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Ah yes KFC, but if he is an Al Queda plant would'nt he be learning to fly planes or drive Petrol Tankers...how can he strike a blow for Islam by playing for a mediocre football team?

 

[tedebear]

tedebear, I have to take issue with your attitude towards exceptions. I simply don't think you can have exceptions to rules. There are guidelines that must be followed and I think that should be the way that it is. .

I've just read back my post on the first page and can understand how you've got me completely wrong. I do not condone exceptions, I was merely explaining why the home office cannot and should not give them. I was comparing my case to his - where I am not entitled to any special circumstance or exception so neither should he.

 

[Simster]

I've just read back my post on the first page and can understand how you've got me completely wrong. I do not condone exceptions, I was merely explaining why the home office cannot and should not give them. I was comparing my case to his - where I am not entitled to any special circumstance or exception so neither should he.

In that case, I humbly request that you excuse my FUCKWITTAGENESS.

 

[tedebear]

In that case, I humbly request that you excuse my FUCKWITTAGENESS.

Its ok - my explanation in the first instance was pretty poor!