Adams points v Wilkins Points

[bhadeb]

Was looking through last seasons programmes and with all the different debates Adams v Wilkins i looked at the scores on the board now and last year

This year we have played 22 and have 20 points

Last year we had played 21 and had 30 points

If you take into account that the game missed last season (due to weather) was Gillingham at home which we won 4 - 2 then the points are

Adams played 22 = 20 points
Wilkins played 22 = 33 points

 

[beorhthelm]

alot of people were giving Adams the benefit of the doubt earlier in the season and kept comparing the points, which seemed reasonable... but now its time to face facts, its all gone pear shaped. do we ditch him before he spends money in January only to be shown the door in Febuary?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

You are failing to take into account that Adams has had less time with the team and the average temperature has been much cooler here on the South Coast.

d = Average seasonal temperature
x = Months with team

9 & 3 => The weighting for each manager and their relevant experience.

I shall leave you to work that out debs.

 

[British Bulldog]

Whatever angle you look at it from it all points to the club making a mistake in appointing Adams, I just wish they'd do what blackburn done and admit it so we can get a new manager in and try and salvage something from this miserable season.

 

[Jim D]

Was looking through last seasons programmes and with all the different debates Adams v Wilkins i looked at the scores on the board now and last year

This year we have played 22 and have 20 points

Last year we had played 21 and had 30 points

If you take into account that the game missed last season (due to weather) was Gillingham at home which we won 4 - 2 then the points are

Adams played 22 = 20 points
Wilkins played 22 = 33 points

It was about this time that the wheels fell off the Wilkins's bandwagon. Let's do this again at the end of January.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

It was about this time that the wheels fell off the Wilkins's bandwagon. Let's do this again at the end of January.

Or even more fairly, at the end of the season !!! It's only the final table that counts. MA should be given a WHOLE season - if we go down then we go down. After all it happens to 10 teams every season so it's hardly an unusal event.

 

[El Presidente]

It was about this time that the wheels fell off the Wilkins's bandwagon. Let's do this again at the end of January.

I am sure that as a very balanced individual, bhadeb will of course remind us of the manager who:

1. Had 5 defeats immediately upon being appointed manager
2. Then had a spell of 1 win in 12 games between December and February
3. Then finished the season with 1 win in 12 games

 

[Rookie]

Not fussed about the points from last season but if Wilkins had not gone in the summer and was the manager for this run he would have be sacked. All that seems to be keeping Adams in the job is his history with the club.

All this building for the future gets on my tits as well, how does bringing in a load of loan players and journey men footballers building for the future?

 

[saltash seagull]

It was about this time that the wheels fell off the Wilkins's bandwagon. Let's do this again at the end of January.

for a bit but not to the extent where he had 2 wins in 19 games

 

[El Presidente]

for a bit but not to the extent where he had 2 wins in 19 games

He had 4 wins in 26 though

 

[Barrel of Fun]

I think people have generally been very scathing as to what Dean Wilkins achieved. He inherited a squad that was extremely low on confidence after a bitter struggle in the Championship and had a leading line of Hart, Robinson, Gatting and Revell (Where were the goals going to come from?). It was also his first gig as a manager.

As previously stated, it is pointless to compare the points at this stage as there is still a lot of football to come. What is concerning is at this stage last season we did show signs of pulling off some decent results/performances, but it seems this is not entirely the case at the moment. Ho hum. We shall probably have to wait and see what the transfer window brings us...

 

[British Bulldog]

I think people have generally been very scathing as to what Dean Wilkins achieved. He inherited a squad that was extremely low on confidence after a bitter struggle in the Championship and had a leading line of Hart, Robinson, Gatting and Revell (Where were the goals going to come from?). It was also his first gig as a manager..

I agree with you BoF and the poor run we had at the end of Wilkins first season did seem to coincide with losing Hammond because he needed an operation, I'm still convinced if Hammond & Bertin had been able to see the season out together in midfield we would've finished in a far more comfortable position.

 

[O Lads]

Was looking through last seasons programmes and with all the different debates Adams v Wilkins i looked at the scores on the board now and last year

This year we have played 22 and have 20 points

Last year we had played 21 and had 30 points

If you take into account that the game missed last season (due to weather) was Gillingham at home which we won 4 - 2 then the points are

Adams played 22 = 20 points
Wilkins played 22 = 33 points

Absolute genious. We did better in terms of points last year than we have this year!

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[1066gull]

BoF, I always admire your optimism and patience but you cannot blame the weather, for everything else going wrong. There is only one way for someone to improve and that is to accept when they do wrong. Blaming other factors gets you no where, in life generally.

Every single team has the weather to deal with, were not alone for christ sake!

Thats just typical British attitude.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

BoF, I always admire your optimism and patience but you cannot blame the weather, for everything else going wrong. There is only one way for someone to improve and that is to accept when they do wrong. Blaming other factors gets you no where, in life generally.

Every single team has the weather to deal with, were not alone for christ sake!

Thats just typical British attitude.

It was a tongue in cheek post to show that it is relatively pointless to compare where we were last season to where we are now. The only real comparison should be made at the end of the season and even then there are mitigating factors involved. Let's focus on the now as opposed to the yesteryear.

 

[veade]

so we wait for the end of the season get relegated or very close for adams to say its not my fault i had to re-build the team {which came 7th last season} i don't care if people say it was a faulse position its still far better than we are this season

 

[nail-Z]

BoF, I always admire your optimism and patience but you cannot blame the weather, for everything else going wrong. There is only one way for someone to improve and that is to accept when they do wrong. Blaming other factors gets you no where, in life generally.

Every single team has the weather to deal with, were not alone for christ sake!

Thats just typical British attitude.

 

[Acker79]

It was a tongue in cheek post to show that it is relatively pointless to compare where we were last season to where we are now. The only real comparison should be made at the end of the season and even then there are mitigating factors involved. Let's focus on the now as opposed to the yesteryear.

Last christmas I gave you my.. I mean, Last cristmas Arsenal were top of the premiership. This christmas liverpool are. Why is no one saying Liverpool's premiership campaign is over?

Because things don't work that way in football. Just because you're in one position at one stage on year, doesn't mean your end position the following season will be the same because you're in the same position at the same stage of the following season.

Why not compare Last season with the second season adams had last time he was here?

The OP is currently comparing Wilkin's second season with us, after a disappointing, though comparatively successful (i.e. he avoided the relegation it looked like McGhee was heading for) first (3/4) season with Mickey's settling in season.

See how many ways there are to approach these comparisons? Kinda waters them down and makes them meaningless.

 

[El Presidente]

The OP is currently comparing Wilkin's second season with us, after a disappointing, though comparatively successful (i.e. he avoided the relegation it looked like McGhee was heading for) first (3/4) season with Mickey's settling in season.

McGhee was sacked after six games, of which we had lost two, so I have NO idea how you extrapolated that to relegation.

 

[Acker79]

McGhee was sacked after six games, of which we had lost two, so I have NO idea how you extrapolated that to relegation.

Huh, according to wikipedia he was sacked after three consecutive defeats. Which would put his firing after the Yeovil game, but he apparently went before the millwall game.

I remembered him having more time and us being lower in the table when he finally went. I must've really hated him, or maybe it was just coming hot on the heels of one relegation, like a lot of people I expect relegated teams to dominate in the lower division, but we didn't so I took a more negative view...

Though, he was sacked after 7 games, with one cup game.