A Very Real Problem: Lack of Sports Facilities in Brighton & Hove

[Prettyboyshaw]

It was part of the National Policy Framework that councils set targets for affordable housing. Within each authority's Local Plan they would have a policy for the requirement which would form part of a Section 106 agreement that can range from social housing to contribution to highways, kids parks etc. typically 25% when a certain threshold was reached. This might vary from council to council. A Section 106 can be negotiated within a Local Plan policy and other benefits taken into consideration.

'Rent-a-mob', 'brown paper bags' - I'm surprised Peter James hasn't had Roy Grace investigating a fictional allegory of what when on during the whole King Alfred fiasco.

Like a certain area beginning with R near Saltdean where a certain Councilor lives and a certain 25% social housing doesn't seem to apply to any of the new developments that have or are being built!

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

Have you ever tried to use public transport between the West Pier and King Alfred though ? Not a single bus service running along the seafront, which is a little bizarre.

true, but there are plenty that stop at the top of st. aubyns (including one that is 24 hour) which can't be much more than 5 minutes walk. There is also a reasonably frequent stagecoach bus that stops right outside

 

[The Large One]

I know you hate the Tories but I'm pretty sure the development was canned because the funding couldn't be found rather than any political party just scrapping it ?

Correct.

From council minutes... Planning permission was granted in 2007 for the redevelopment of the King Alfred/ RNR site. In November 2008, the council's agreement with the Developer for the Frank Gehry designed project on Hove seafront expired. The Agreement which was to have delivered a new sports centre, 751 flats and a new public realm is no longer to be delivered due to withdrawal of funding from the principal funders for the project.

The vote, in 2007, was 6/6, with the chair of the Planning Committee having the casting vote - in favour.

For
David Watkins (LD)
Jean Lepper (L)
Delia Forester (L)
Bob Carden (L)
Roy Pennington (L)
Les Hamilton (L)

Against
Carol Theobald (C)
Geoffrey Wells (C)
Lynda Hyde (C)
Dawn Barnett (C) - she called it 'a monstrous and unthinkable development'.
Ken Norman (C)
Sue Paskins (G)

 

[CheeseRolls]

Correct.

From council minutes... Planning permission was granted in 2007 for the redevelopment of the King Alfred/ RNR site. In November 2008, the council's agreement with the Developer for the Frank Gehry designed project on Hove seafront expired. The Agreement which was to have delivered a new sports centre, 751 flats and a new public realm is no longer to be delivered due to withdrawal of funding from the principal funders for the project.

The vote, in 2007, was 6/6, with the chair of the Planning Committee having the casting vote - in favour.

For
David Watkins (LD)
Jean Lepper (L)
Delia Forester (L)
Bob Carden (L)
Roy Pennington (L)
Les Hamilton (L)

Against
Carol Theobald (C)
Geoffrey Wells (C)
Lynda Hyde (C)
Dawn Barnett (C) - she called it 'a monstrous and unthinkable development'.
Ken Norman (C)
Sue Paskins (G)

I knew it ! It was The Greens fault.
I wonder what the UKIP policy would be ? Mind you I expect UKIP wonder what the UKIP policy would be.

 

[The Large One]

I knew it ! It was The Greens fault.
I wonder what the UKIP policy would be ? Mind you I expect UKIP wonder what the UKIP policy would be.

UKIP in Brighton would definitely mean floods.

 

[Notters]

The 40-storey tower being built as part of the 'Marina Renaissance' - construction work began this week - will have an observation platform, from which lucky tourists will be able to look down on the lowly i360.

The i360 will be somewhat taller than the building at the Marina.

And now the laughable South Downs National Park

Why do you consider it laughable, out of interest? The authority themselves are having some teething problems, admittedly, and are currently very inexperienced and naive when dealing with planning applications.

Use public money to "clean" the shoreham cement works site
then have a private & public funded sports arena with ice rink & indoor ski slope

That place has absolutely appalling transport links though. At least at black rock, all they would need to do is expand the Volks railway.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

There is an awful lot of NIMBYism across the city, and has been for decades - look at how influential the likes of The Regency Society (founded 1945), The Brighton Society (founded 1974), North Laine Community Association and so on are.

Some of it is justifiable - there was a plan to knock down North Laine in the 1970s in order for a flyover to be built, but by-and-large, the default cry from the various societies is 'NO', as if the city was perfect as is.

Despite these societies we've still had poor planning decisions and wilful neglect that can be described as some of the worst Brighton and Hove has seen which include the Albion Hill redevelopment, the demolition of the Blind School in Church Street, Churchill Square, Edward Street redevelopment, the virtual destruction of King Street and the West Pier.

Thankfully the North Laine did not suffer the fate of Albion Hill/Richmond Street and Edward Street, although it can be argued that the redevelopment around Blackcross Street and Wood Street was poor.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Correct.

From council minutes... Planning permission was granted in 2007 for the redevelopment of the King Alfred/ RNR site. In November 2008, the council's agreement with the Developer for the Frank Gehry designed project on Hove seafront expired. The Agreement which was to have delivered a new sports centre, 751 flats and a new public realm is no longer to be delivered due to withdrawal of funding from the principal funders for the project.

The vote, in 2007, was 6/6, with the chair of the Planning Committee having the casting vote - in favour.

For
David Watkins (LD)
Jean Lepper (L)
Delia Forester (L)
Bob Carden (L)
Roy Pennington (L)
Les Hamilton (L)

Against
Carol Theobald (C)
Geoffrey Wells (C)
Lynda Hyde (C)
Dawn Barnett (C) - she called it 'a monstrous and unthinkable development'.
Ken Norman (C)
Sue Paskins (G)

Who was the chair person ?

EDIT - and Dawn Barnett might be outspoken and annoy some people but she's a damn good councillor for us locals.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Any chance that if the i360 goes ahead then the West Pier 'Trust' can be removed from the equation?

 

[Bold Seagull]

EDIT - and Dawn Barnett might be outspoken and annoy some people but she's a damn good councillor for us locals.

Just don't mention the golli word!!

 

[The Large One]

Who was the chair person ?

Les Hamilton.

Many councillors expressed reservations on certain aspects of the application - indeed, the officers' report contained 48 S106 conditions - but were ultimately split down party lines. Not sure why, with the possible exception of Central Hove (the ward in question) being Tory at the time.

EDIT - and Dawn Barnett might be outspoken and annoy some people but she's a damn good councillor for us locals.

I'm sure the same could be said for most, if not all, councillors. Even Jason Kitcat.

 

[The Large One]

Despite these societies we've still had poor planning decisions and wilful neglect that can be described as some of the worst Brighton and Hove has seen which include the Albion Hill redevelopment, the demolition of the Blind School in Church Street, Churchill Square, Edward Street redevelopment, the virtual destruction of King Street and the West Pier.

Thankfully the North Laine did not suffer the fate of Albion Hill/Richmond Street and Edward Street, although it can be argued that the redevelopment around Blackcross Street and Wood Street was poor.

It's because of these 'developments' that the Brighton Society was founded.

They were probably a force for good at their inception, but are now seen by many as regressive and reactionary.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

It's because of these 'developments' that the Brighton Society was founded.

They were probably a force for good at their inception, but are now seen by many as regressive and reactionary.

I never realised the Brighton Society was founded because of those poor developments. Learn something new every day!

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Just don't mention the golli word!!

Ha ha - I only met with Dawn last week ( regarding something local ) and the council employee who chaired the meeting was one of the people who complained about her - a slightly awkward meeting !

 

[The Large One]

I never realised the Brighton Society was founded because of those poor developments. Learn something new every day!

http://www.brighton-society.org.uk/?page_id=388

The straw that broke their back was British Rail's decision to demolish Brighton Station.

A little bit here about the North Laine motorway thingy...

http://www.nlcaonline.org.uk/page_id__383_path__0p17p.aspx

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

http://www.brighton-society.org.uk/?page_id=388

The straw that broke their back was British Rail's decision to demolish Brighton Station.

A little bit here about the North Laine motorway thingy...

http://www.nlcaonline.org.uk/page_id__383_path__0p17p.aspx

Cheers, just looking at the Brighton Society website now. Seems they have done some positive things but some would argue they have held up important developments.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Correct.

From council minutes... Planning permission was granted in 2007 for the redevelopment of the King Alfred/ RNR site. In November 2008, the council's agreement with the Developer for the Frank Gehry designed project on Hove seafront expired. The Agreement which was to have delivered a new sports centre, 751 flats and a new public realm is no longer to be delivered due to withdrawal of funding from the principal funders for the project.

The vote, in 2007, was 6/6, with the chair of the Planning Committee having the casting vote - in favour.

For
David Watkins (LD)
Jean Lepper (L)
Delia Forester (L)
Bob Carden (L)
Roy Pennington (L)
Les Hamilton (L)

Against
Carol Theobald (C)
Geoffrey Wells (C)
Lynda Hyde (C)
Dawn Barnett (C) - she called it 'a monstrous and unthinkable development'.
Ken Norman (C)
Sue Paskins (G)

Says it all really. Cheers for reminding us of the (pre-funding fail) guilty parties

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Correct.

From council minutes... Planning permission was granted in 2007 for the redevelopment of the King Alfred/ RNR site. In November 2008, the council's agreement with the Developer for the Frank Gehry designed project on Hove seafront expired. The Agreement which was to have delivered a new sports centre, 751 flats and a new public realm is no longer to be delivered due to withdrawal of funding from the principal funders for the project.

The vote, in 2007, was 6/6, with the chair of the Planning Committee having the casting vote - in favour.

For
David Watkins (LD)
Jean Lepper (L)
Delia Forester (L)
Bob Carden (L)
Roy Pennington (L)
Les Hamilton (L)

Against
Carol Theobald (C)
Geoffrey Wells (C)
Lynda Hyde (C)
Dawn Barnett (C) - she called it 'a monstrous and unthinkable development'.
Ken Norman (C)
Sue Paskins (G)

Please see my earlier post. The Tories, after gaining a majority, refused an extension to a (as I understand it) a routine financial clause in the contract. This extension would have allowed Karis to persue another funding option. And these extensions are routinely given. It did not have to expire in 2008 and peope worked hard to ensure it did not.

 

[The Large One]

Cheers, just looking at the Brighton Society website now. Seems they have done some positive things but some would argue they have held up important developments.

When I had my shop in Gloucester Road 6-7 years ago, I found the NLCA people quite rude and hostile, before I'd even stated an opinion on a given subject.

 

[symyjym]

Is there anybody in the council who champions sport in the city? Do we have a sports development team and if we do who is in charge?