[News] A paedophile priest high on crystal meth told how he wanted to sacrifice babies to Satan.

[Ding Dong !]

I think it’s fair to say Mitoma’s dribbling will always divide spirituality and science. Literally nothing can tackle him!

It's like Lee Trevino once said, If you're playing golf and caught in a storm, hold up a 1 iron..................even God can't hit a 1 iron

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

psychedelics are being used to treat depression , adhd, and also used in palliative and terminal care , blinkered thinking such as yours is extremely unfortunate in the 21st century.

clearly you have very little real education on the matter.

that aside , meth is not a psychedelic , it is a shitty man made drug developed by the US military....who'd a thunk it.

Never said not to use them. There's use of all drugs in a controlled way, monitored and deemed safe to use. Then there's uncontrolled use, dangerous and can be used for abuse.

Am I blinkered, no. Aware of the dangers, oh yes. Aware of the benefits to some, oh yes.

I suggest one comment made on this thread does not for one minute give you an idea at all about my thinking.

 

[Diallo]

Am I blinkered, no. Aware of the dangers, oh yes. Aware of the benefits to some, oh yes.

But have you ever tried them?

 

[pastafarian]

That is rubbish. It's certainly not true right across the board. "Some religious people"..... maybe, but it's a crass generalisation.

I made no generalisation, i simply said religious people.
If you wish to interpret that as all religious people then that is your choice.

Its all rather irrelevant to the point that atheists are somehow a bit idiotic for thinking that “God” doesn’t exist, when monotheists are apparently not closed minded for believing other gods don’t exist and their God is the only one God .

 

[Questions]

I sat and smoked a spliff with my young Palace maté tonight…. He is crapping himself…I wasn’t falling for that nonsense

 

[Zeberdi]

you can dance on the head of the pin around "proof" all day long. lets talk evidence: there is plenty of evidence on one side, nothing on the other. no one forces you to not believe, i couldn't reconcile the belief of a good and omnisicent god with the evidence.

Isn’t the whole point of ‘faith’ is that it doesn’t require evidence of good things or bad things?

People seem to find it easier to beleive that all the bad things that people (including priests - perhaps especially priests) do in the world and the all the suffering is ‘evidence’ that ‘God’ does not exist rather than ‘evidence’ that the Devil does - just saying

Anyway, I have faith we will beat Palace tomorrow even though the evidence says we haven’t beaten them in a league match since 4th December 2018 - I don’t care, Mitoma has made me see the Light - Hallelujah!!

 

[BadFish]

fair enough, but I wasn’t thinking globally or historically. I was thinking in the context of what this thread was originally about - a paedophile priest in Worthing, which hits close to home because Worthing is where I was brought up between 1954 and 1972.

incidentally three of the major world faiths believe ultimately in the same God - Christianity, Judaism and Islam. So historically and currently any differences between adherents to those faiths are not down to their rejection of the other’s God, more about ways of getting to him/her/it.

If he exists/exsisted he must have been sitting up there shaking his head for the last 2000 years.

I can't help but wonder what each religion's take on this is. They all preach love of god and love of fellow believers but somehow that message has been twisted so violently that people end up hating and fighting with fellow believers because they do it wrong.

I guess that in some ways it is like siblings fighting.

 

[Diallo]

If he exists/exsisted he must have been sitting up there shaking his head for the last 2000 years.

I can't help but wonder what each religion's take on this is. They all preach love of god and love of fellow believers but somehow that message has been twisted so violently that people end up hating and fighting with fellow believers because they do it wrong.

I guess that in some ways it is like siblings fighting.

It’s when they start arguing over meaningless non spiritual stuff like what sort of breakfast cereal God will bless you for eating or how many sheets of toilet roll can you use before it becomes a sin, does the hate and divide start occurring.

This sort of stuff I don’t think helps:

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/10/1155792333/god-gender-pronouns-church-of-england

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I made no generalisation, i simply said religious people.
If you wish to interpret that as all religious people then that is your choice.

Its all rather irrelevant to the point that atheists are somehow a bit idiotic for thinking that “God” doesn’t exist, when monotheists are apparently not closed minded for believing other gods don’t exist and their God is the only one God .

I didn’t say anything about atheists are somehow a bit idiotic! Some of my best friends are atheists.

in terms of being closed minded, I spent much of my working life being involved in multi-faith/inter-faith organisations and events where the principal attitude is “there’s more that unites us than divides us”.

I attended the conference of an organisation called SEEFF - South-east England Faith Forum - which took place in Westminster the day after 9/11, when armed police were everywhere and everyone had the jitters when a plane went overhead! I did the prayers, and was thanked by Muslims afterwards for what I said. I’m not saying this as an attempt at self-aggrandisement, but as an illustration that people of different faiths can and do peacefully co-exist and work together.

live and let live.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

But have you ever tried them?

No and have no reason to. Why should I try?

 

[Diallo]

No and have no reason to. Why should I try?

Because it’s argued it could be used as evidence of God to give to those who claim they need to proof to believe in God?

Annoying that those who claim they need the proof then refuse the evidence but keep going on about how they need the proof.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Because it’s argued it could be used as evidence of God to give to those who claim they need to proof to believe in God?

Annoying that those who claim they need the proof then refuse the evidence but keep going on about how they need the proof.

And can equally argued that it doesn't.

I'm not going into details on here but I have a very relevant reason why the use of these drugs, religion, rape and cults is close to me.

I don't need any evidence that God exists as I'm not interested. When I'm dead like every other living thing I'll return to the earth.

What you do or want to do is your business and I hope you enjoy your journey, so long as it doesn't affect me it's all good.

 

[Diallo]

And can equally argued that it doesn't.

I'm not going into details on here but I have a very relevant reason why the use of these drugs, religion, rape and cults is close to me.

I don't need any evidence that God exists as I'm not interested. When I'm dead like every other living thing I'll return to the earth.

What you do or want to do is your business and I hope you enjoy your journey, so long as it doesn't affect me it's all good.

people who don’t test the evidence that psychedelics could be a potential gateway to spirituality, but instead base their view of psychedelics through other peoples personal experience, could be argued is more faith than evidence.

Graham Hancock whose father was a Surgeon, uses this argument non stop and baffles him that scientists don’t actually try psychedelics when testing them for evidence. He thinks this is the hypocrisy of current science. They call for the evidence, but refuse to truly test the evidence when offered.
Of course it’s free choice to take them or not, but it is said that the highest form of ignorance is having an opinion of a place you’ve never been…..

PS I believe in reincarnation too, though like you, I have no evidence. I believe heaven and hell are human experiences on earth. Later on this afternoon we’ll experience Heaven and will have proof.

 

[Bold Seagull]

people who don’t test the evidence that psychedelics could be a potential gateway to spirituality, but instead base their view of psychedelics through other peoples personal experience, could be argued is more faith than evidence.

Graham Hancock whose father was a Surgeon, uses this argument non stop and baffles him that scientists don’t actually try psychedelics when testing them for evidence. He thinks this is the hypocrisy of current science. They call for the evidence, but refuse to truly test the evidence when offered.
Of course it’s free choice to take them or not, but it is said that the highest form of ignorance is having an opinion of a place you’ve never been…..

PS I believe in reincarnation too, though like you, I have no evidence. I believe heaven and hell are human experiences on earth. Later on this afternoon we’ll experience Heaven and will have proof.

Chemicals can alter our perception of the world because our experience is basically a series of chemicals creating our reality in our brains anyway. Our experience of the world is really an hallucination anyway, one were used to from birth, all pyschedelics do is change the hallucination, that change can be interpreted as spirituality, but as with all our experiences it is just chemistry. One persons change of perception is a journey into spirituality, another’s is a terrifying experience because the change is uncomfortable. Many scientists have over the years experimented with various drugs, Francis Crick for example is said to have discovered the DNA double helix while on LSD.

 

[Diallo]

Chemicals can alter our perception of the world because our experience is basically a series of chemicals creating our reality in our brains anyway. Our experience of the world is really an hallucination anyway, one were used to from birth, all pyschedelics do is change the hallucination, that change can be interpreted as spirituality, but as with all our experiences it is just chemistry. One persons change of perception is a journey into spirituality, another’s is a terrifying experience because the change is uncomfortable. Many scientists have over the years experimented with various drugs, Francis Crick for example is said to have discovered the DNA double helix while on LSD.

Well there’s only one way to truly find out, the proof is in the puddin

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

people who don’t test the evidence that psychedelics could be a potential gateway to spirituality, but instead base their view of psychedelics through other peoples personal experience, could be argued is more faith than evidence.

Graham Hancock whose father was a Surgeon, uses this argument non stop and baffles him that scientists don’t actually try psychedelics when testing them for evidence. He thinks this is the hypocrisy of current science. They call for the evidence, but refuse to truly test the evidence when offered.
Of course it’s free choice to take them or not, but it is said that the highest form of ignorance is having an opinion of a place you’ve never been…..

PS I believe in reincarnation too, though like you, I have no evidence. I believe heaven and hell are human experiences on earth. Later on this afternoon we’ll experience Heaven and will have proof.

In the 80's I helped a young girl, who's parents were very religious and encouraged her to join local religious groups of similar age. She was taken in by these manipulating leaders and went off to a "camp" in Somerset.

Months went by and her parents stopped getting any communication. They spoke to my friend who had recently dated her and asked for help. We located this camp and drove down there. We were met with a horrendous situation. We were threatened by the leaders and had to retreat. We eventually managed to get a message to her via another person who had escaped the cult.

We managed with her parents to meet her at the gate of this camp, with her minders in toe. She was in a terrible state, incoherent and painfully thin. We acted quickly and effectively kidnapped her.

We drove back towards Sussex but she was becoming more and more agitated so drove her straight to the nearest hospital. All she kept saying was she had been given the Seed of God. Later we found out this meant she had been regularly gang raped. She was detained under the mental health act. Her initial treatment lasted over 6 months.

We had to complete loads of evidence with the police, at one point we were even facing charges for taking her. Thankfully the specialists treating her were able to give evidence.

It took a good 5 years to get these people charged and this girl is damaged for life.

Now tell me to get close to God drugs are the way!

What I posted are facts, not an opinion but hard cold facts.

 

[Diallo]

In the 80's I helped a young girl, who's parents were very religious and encouraged her to join local religious groups of similar age. She was taken in by these manipulating leaders and went off to a "camp" in Somerset.

Months went by and her parents stopped getting any communication. They spoke to my friend who had recently dated her and asked for help. We located this camp and drove down there. We were met with a horrendous situation. We were threatened by the leaders and had to retreat. We eventually managed to get a message to her via another person who had escaped the cult.

We managed with her parents to meet her at the gate of this camp, with her minders in toe. She was in a terrible state, incoherent and painfully thin. We acted quickly and effectively kidnapped her.

We drove back towards Sussex but she was becoming more and more agitated so drove her straight to the nearest hospital. All she kept saying was she had been given the Seed of God. Later we found out this meant she had been regularly gang raped. She was detained under the mental health act. Her initial treatment lasted over 6 months.

We had to complete loads of evidence with the police, at one point we were even facing charges for taking her. Thankfully the specialists treating her were able to give evidence.

It took a good 5 years to get these people charged and this girl is damaged for life.

Now tell me to get close to God drugs are the way!

What I posted are facts, not an opinion but hard cold facts.

This is about psychedelics being a potential method of evidence for spirituality. Hard drugs like crack, heroin, Alcohol and so on are clearly dangerous looking at how many use those drugs and end up homeless.

I think it’s very wrong to put psychedelics such as DMT and Auyasca in the same brackets as those potentially lethal drugs mentioned above.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

This is about psychedelics being a potential method of evidence for spirituality. Hard drugs like crack, heroin, Alcohol and so on are clearly dangerous looking at how many use those drugs and end up homeless.

I think it’s very wrong to put psychedelics such as DMT and Auyasca in the same brackets as those potentially lethal drugs mentioned above.

Did I say what was being used?

Think I’m finished with this thread. I’ll happily continue my life you yours.

 

[Diallo]

Did I say what was being used?

Think I’m finished with this thread. I’ll happily continue my life you yours.

No you didn’t but I assume most drug gangs who are manipulating and gang raping victims, sell hard drugs such as the ones mentioned above rather than things like DMT and Auyasca which are pretty much impossible to find on the street.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

No you didn’t but I assume most drug gangs who are manipulating and gang raping victims, sell hard drugs such as the ones mentioned above rather than things like DMT and Auyasca which are pretty much impossible to find on the street.

LSD