75% of incapacity claimants are fit to work

[perseus]

IDS seems to think that jobs can be found for most if not all the unemployed. But how do you squeeze 2.4 million people into 459,000 vacancies?

New Statesman - The war on welfare scroungers, part 77

 

[bhaexpress]

IDS seems to think that jobs can be found for most if not all the unemployed. But how do you squeeze 2.4 million people into 459,000 vacancies?

New Statesman - The war on welfare scroungers, part 77

Now that's a rarity, a newspaper being accurate.

 

[Uncle C]

The headline is somewhat misleading, it suggests (to me anyway, and I'd venture I'm more intelligent than your average Mail reader) that 75% of people actually RECEIVING the benefit are fit to work. Whereas the truth is they are being turned down because of the tests, which is somewhat less of a story.

I think the story is that this country has more than its fair share of chancers who are trying to get on the welfare merry-go round.

 

[Uncle C]

A benefits fraudster who cheated taxpayers out of almost £50,000 has been spared a jail sentence - and been given a staggering 106 years to pay back the money.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324491/Benefits-cheat-stole-50-000-escapes-jail--given-106-YEARS-pay-money.html

 

[bhaexpress]

Now that is just pathetic, they should sell all her possessions and make her live on the street as she'd be better of inside. Not exactly a great incentive not to cheat the system is it ?

 

[ROSM]

Ooh I'm loving this thread. All the inherent bigotry comes pouring out.

Dandyman has put a factual and intelligent point on this thread that appears to have been overlooked or ignored by everyone as it clearly damages many of the arguments of those who would have us believe all those on incapacity benefits are workshy scroungers who are really bone idle.

 

[Uncle C]

it clearly damages many of the arguments of those who would have us believe all those on incapacity benefits are workshy scroungers who are really bone idle.

You would have to be a complete moron to believe its true of all people on incapacity benefit. Its the piss takers that are the problem.

 

[Uncle C]

Now that is just pathetic, they should sell all her possessions and make her live on the street as she'd be better of inside. Not exactly a great incentive not to cheat the system is it ?

Giving up fags might be a way to help repay the debt.

 

[Tubby Mondays]

I'd prefer to say this one is dealing with a situation that has been created by the previous Government; we have been living well beyond our means, they have created a society that expects everything on a plate and have left us royally up the creek without a paddle.

It's basic economics, we either cut our spending or lose our credit rating, lose our credit rating and we won't be worrying about 2m unemployed.

Don't get me wrong I wouldn't wish that on anyone but it's a fact of life, a fact of borrowing far more than w ecan afford by a Government who shouted from the roofs tops that we had left the period of boom and bust economics.

We created jobs to fudge the figures and now we pay the price.

Remind me again how putting people out of work, thereby losing income from taxation and making people claim benefits, thereby increasing the welfare bill, helps to repay the deficit?

If you had of said; 'These cuts are being made becasue its what the Tories have always wanted to do, and the global economic meltdown has allowed them to do it by pointing the finger at the last government', I made have beleived you.

 

[sten_super]

Remind me again how putting people out of work, thereby losing income from taxation and making people claim benefits, thereby increasing the welfare bill, helps to repay the deficit?

Are you trying to claim that unemployment benefit is higher than the average public sector wage? Because if you aren't, surely moving people from public sector employment to unemployment would help the deficit?

 

[Tubby Mondays]

Are you trying to claim that unemployment benefit is higher than the average public sector wage? Because if you aren't, surely moving people from public sector employment to unemployment would help the deficit?

How?

How does having a large proportion of the country out of work and unable to spend any money benefit shops, business etc?

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

A benefits fraudster who cheated taxpayers out of almost £50,000 has been spared a jail sentence - and been given a staggering 106 years to pay back the money.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324491/Benefits-cheat-stole-50-000-escapes-jail--given-106-YEARS-pay-money.html

They were going to make her pay it back over a 10 year period until her brief told the judge she was a Pompey supporter who then decided she could then pay it back over 106 years.

 

[MrShaun15]

It might help if they stopped eating nine and a half grand's worth of wheat free bread every month.

lol

 

[drew]

You can also get a Blue Badge for being too bleedin' fat, so that means you don't have to walk so far, thus making you fatter!

Unfortunately the last government made it socially acceptable to be money scrounging gits who sit on their oversized arses watching programmes telling them how "unlucky" they are.

I wonder if you can get a blue badge for being thick because if you can, you could apply for a whole stack of them. Have you read the article or are all your comments based on the headline and other posts. 75% have been rejected so they are not even receiving the benefit. You are also quick to blame the last government but as another poster pointed out, the Tories were only too eager to place people on incapacity rather than the dole. Finally, which government do you think introduced these new tests then. Try and work that one out.

Totally agree and the amount of people avoiding work has been an on going problem for far to many years.Im glad the GOVERNMENT are getting tough on these lazy bastards.

You would have to be a complete moron to believe its true of all people on incapacity benefit. Its the piss takers that are the problem.

Quite right. The new tests are stopping people getting on the benefit and over a period of time existing claimants will be tested.

How?

How does having a large proportion of the country out of work and unable to spend any money benefit shops, business etc?[/QUOT
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Your wasting your time. Half the muppets on here are unlikely to understand.

 

[The Ringleader Returns!]

"Incredibly, 7,100 tried to claim because they had sexually transmitted diseases and nearly 10,000 because they were too fat."

75% of incapacity claimants fit to work: Benefits test weeds out workshy | Mail Online

Leave them alone.

They don't want cancer.

Why men with desk jobs have higher risk of prostate cancer | Mail Online

 

[beorhthelm]

How?

How does having a large proportion of the country out of work and unable to spend any money benefit shops, business etc?

well if you want to ask that question, and to just throw it out there (i dont believe its a sensible policy to adopt), there is the arguement that the typical public sector employee costs more than they can ever contribute back into the economy. public sector employees cost far more than they can ever spend in shops and business. a salary of 25k, with employers NI of 12.8% (£3.2k) and pension contribution of say 18% (£4.5k) means a cost of £32.7k. but take home pay after tax+NI is less than half that.

Government spending can stimulate economy, it can put money in areas otherwise lacking, it cannot create long term wealth, its a negative feedback loop. hence why those regions that received such largesse under Labour dont see real long term benefits because its not self sustaining. see also Soviet Russia. it can however provide infrastructure and essential services upon which economical productive industry can florish. the debate should boil down to where the essential/non-essential demarcation is, but rarely does due to entrenched partisan views.

to be blunt and frank, it costs less to have a state paid person on the dole because while they contribute even less, they cost far less too. see Miners Strike. like i say, not a sensible long term policy for social or cultural reasons, but economically sound.

 

[Tim Over Whelmed]

I wonder if you can get a blue badge for being thick because if you can, you could apply for a whole stack of them. Have you read the article or are all your comments based on the headline and other posts. 75% have been rejected so they are not even receiving the benefit. You are also quick to blame the last government but as another poster pointed out, the Tories were only too eager to place people on incapacity rather than the dole. Finally, which government do you think introduced these new tests then. Try and work that one out.





Quite right. The new tests are stopping people getting on the benefit and over a period of time existing claimants will be tested.

How?

How does having a large proportion of the country out of work and unable to spend any money benefit shops, business etc?[/QUOT
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Your wasting your time. Half the muppets on here are unlikely to understand.

I don't think I've actually referenced the article to support my comments?

Well observed you do lose taxation by having people out of work, around 27%of their income, an income of which the government is currently providing at 100% in jobs created in the public sector. The public sector has had an increase of 500,000 jobs in the past 5 years and has a turnover of 100,000 people per year, the loss of 460,000 jobs isn't going to create a mass problem. That said I am clearly thick and know nothing and should continue with my hum drum life going nowhere!

I consider NSC to be like talking in a pub we all have opinions and we all learn from each other ... sometimes we take our pint and move to a different table ... goodnight