6 years since the London Bombings

[Peever]

Its crazy to think how fast time flies. RIP to all those who perished

 

[Deleted User X18H]

it is worse than offensive my friend ! it is sick..... MI5 and Mossad having very active roles in blowing up their own people, very offensive i would say.

but no, a bus went to a square that was NOT ON ITS ROUTE, and blew up due to those nasty muslim extremists....the very day all of the G8 were in scotland, and a day when no one backed Blair in going to Iraq.

sigh.

What? The bus was diverted along with much other traffic as the roads around the affected tube stations were closed. And the last bomber could not get on a tube train.

My office was closed for two days afterwards as there was still a trace of explosives in Leadenhall Street. Caused by people wandering along in a daze from Aldgate.

 

[sten_super]

You said:

once you accept that suicide bombings in Pakistan are the work of religious fundamentalists, the simplest explanation for the exact same bombings in Iraq, Afghanistan, and indeed here in the UK, is that they have the same cause.

Sorry but that is complete fallacy. Occams Razor was never meant to be used in this way. By your logic, if you find that someone has had a car crash because they were drunk, then all other car crashes must be caused by people driving drunk.

I'm not sure that you understand it either. The point of Occam's Razor is that there is a tradeoff between complexity and explanatory power; the Razor states that, assuming the same level of explanatory power between two competing theories, the simpler explanation is more likely.

Both of the theories (one put forward by you, one by DTES) 'explain the reasoning' behind the 7/7 bombings. If you assume that both are equally valid as hypotheses (there are problems with both arguments, but for the sake of argument lets assume that there are equal numbers of problems in both), then the simpler explanation is more likely to be true.

I would say (and others would agree by the looks of it) that there are more problems and unsolved parts to your argument than the one presented by DTES, but that's obviously a subject of debate. However, Occam's Razor places the burden of proof more heavily on your theory that DTES's, simply because it is more complex.

 

[brunswick]

I do believe that if there was a shred of doubt in the minds of a family member or friend of those killed, then we would have some sort of investigation taking place.

I used to have those beliefs, but 9/11 and 7/7 both have families of the deceased looking for answers and truth, and both sets of families are being ignored and quashed. 7/7 has a truth campaign that fully supports the families. link.

disregarding all the insults, group think words like "conspiracy theorist" and using anything else, if we strip it right down i ask this question:

If 4 bombers went to London and blew up separate areas in rush hour, then how come there is only 1 (one) CCTV video STILL of any of them or their movements? (and that video still is very questionable itself).

We could go into the pentagon and how it is declassified that CCTV tapes were removed from nearby areas and have never been released.

It is good to see more have become level headed in this thread.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

On Pakistan, it does serve our interests to destabilise the pakistan government, today drone attacks are taking place in pakistan, justified because of the terrorism that occurs there.

Good grief, what a ill thought out statement to make. So you really believe a destabilised Pakistan government would be in our ( or more specifically our governments ) interest ?? Yes, of course, destabising the Pakistan government and running the risk of extremists taking over and gaining control of a nuclear arsenal is absolutely in the our interests. Of course in your paranoid mind you'll probably think that our government WANTS a nuclear attack against us to give it the green light to attack anyone and anywhere it likes in reprisal.

 

[brunswick]

destabilisation of the middle east has been going on for years - it is the rule, not the exception - look at what happened in guatemela, panamana etc...... simple rule of divide and conquer. The conquer is not just at a government puppet level, the elite send in their infrastructure companies such as Bechtel, Chevron etc.

John Perkins was a part of this around the world (working for the corporate elite through governments) and has recently whistleblown much of what he took part in.

 

[beorhthelm]

If 4 bombers went to London and blew up separate areas in rush hour, then how come there is only 1 (one) CCTV video STILL of any of them or their movements? (and that video still is very questionable itself).

but theres at least two, moving, peices of footage. too few one might think, but again you divert from reality to perpetuate a false narrative.

i strip it down to this question: if they werent there, why did so many witnesses say they saw them, are they all false statements? and what happened to them, where is the evidence from the archives of the media reports for the Canary Wharf incident you claim, so we can see if thats plausible?

 

[DTES]

[MENTION=256]DTES[/MENTION] I'm not being funny but I come across as patronising, and you are frustrating, for one simple reason. You dont know enough about what you are talking about. That is not to be rude to you, because not many people know much at all about this subject. We are both expressing very strong opinions, but only one of us seems to know the subject matter. If you want to hold such strong convictions, I suggest you research the subject....

...Yes the public protested the war. But if you think we could have gone to war without creating a seemingly legitimate argument for doing so, which is what you are suggesting, you are wrong. And we have to deal with the international community too, who need convincing that we have a reason to do what we are doing.

I may well frustrate you, but I'm sure it isn't as frustrating as it is to find you avoiding the questions - again. We invaded Iraq in 2003, 2 years before 7/7, against public opinion. How do you tally the government taking such a step - irrespective of public opinion - with your claim that the government needed to convince the public?! Be patronising if you wish, but go on - spell it out!

And needing to convince the international community?! Again, you're aware the international community were against it (again, 2 years before this even happened) and we (and the US) went in anyway. Irresepective of international opinion. Do I need to point out that the contradiction is the same, again?

Every single one of your arguments comes down to "if you think that you're wrong", "believe what you want". Or even "A&B, that cannot both be true, are both true - and you're blind if you can't see that". Grow up. As above - it doesn't even need "research" or "evidence" - your claims contradict themselves, so you explain how that works.

Not all terrorist attacks are by the intelligence services and not all attacks are by religious fundementalists. But the ability of people who want to commit attacks is limited. Logistically, financially and technically. Large attacks, usually the big media story type attacks often also end up showing evidence that suggest intelligence involvement.

It is important to understand that the intelligence community has transnational and interlocking connections.

The ISI, the Pakistan Intelligence services (from Wiki):
- was the brainchild of Australian-born British Army officer, Major General R. Cawthome, then Deputy Chief of Staff in the Pakistan Army.
- The Soviet war in Afghanistan of the 1980s saw the enhancement of the covert action capabilities of the ISI by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).
- A number of officers from the ISI's Covert Action Division (Special Activities Division) received training in the United States and many covert action experts of the CIA were attached to the ISI to guide it in its operations against the Soviet troops by using the Afghan Mujahideen.

Similar story with other intelligence services.

These are some nice little lines. I've read them a few times though, and I still can't spot the evidence that we were behind any suicide bombings, in London or abroad.

Sorry but that is complete fallacy. Occams Razor was never meant to be used in this way. By your logic, if you find that someone has had a car crash because they were drunk, then all other car crashes must be caused by people driving drunk.

Um, no. Giving the genuine analogy: By that logic, if you find that someone has had a car crash because they were drunk, then the simplest explanation for any other car crashing with a drunk driver behind the wheel, is that the car crashed because that driver was drunk. Not proof, but the simplest explanation. You (or your side) invoked Occam's Razor.

Also, any word on the point about you two having different conspiracy theories?

 

[DTES]

but theres at least two, moving, peices of footage. too few one might think, but again you divert from reality to perpetuate a false narrative.

If that's true, that's damning against the initial claims in this thread.

 

[Gerbil]

[MENTION=2850]brunswick[/MENTION]

I'm no going to shout abuse at you.
I haven't had time to go through all our theories, there may be something in it.
But can you answer me ONE question. WHY? What did we have to gain if it was an "inside job" as you belive

 

[grummitts gloves]

I used to have those beliefs, but 9/11 and 7/7 both have families of the deceased looking for answers and truth, and both sets of families are being ignored and quashed. 7/7 has a truth campaign that fully supports the families. link.

disregarding all the insults, group think words like "conspiracy theorist" and using anything else, if we strip it right down i ask this question:

If 4 bombers went to London and blew up separate areas in rush hour, then how come there is only 1 (one) CCTV video STILL of any of them or their movements? (and that video still is very questionable itself).

We could go into the pentagon and how it is declassified that CCTV tapes were removed from nearby areas and have never been released.

It is good to see more have become level headed in this thread.

There a numerous pieces of footage from CCTV showing the bombers journey down the motorway from Leeds, arriving at the train station and entering the tube network. Approximately 80,000 pieces of cctv were seized and analysed.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I have experienced Politicians and Governments lieing and covering up the truth towards various ends and have no problem believing this is a regular occurence.

However if you believe that 9/11 and 7/7 were inside jobs, just stop for a moment and consider the logistics of a project of this size. If you have any experience of running large projects in any field, you would know that the idea that a major clandestine project involving people, technology and infrastructure, Politicans, Government and security services being run to plan and remaining secret is laughable.

 

[Titanic]

However if you believe that 9/11 and 7/7 were inside jobs, just stop for a moment and consider the logistics of a project of this size. If you have any experience of running large projects in any field, you would know that the idea that a major clandestine project involving people, technology and infrastructure, Politicans, Government and security services being run to plan and remaining secret is laughable.

How naive can you be? The Lizard Overlords are all powerful!

 

[Tricky Dicky]

How naive can you be? The Lizard Overlords are all powerful!

The only conspiracy theory I have heard so far that I am prepared to consider.

 

[cannedheat]

I blame the salvation army they are spying on us .

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[Titanic]

I blame the salvation army they are spying on us .

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Obviously. And you still use your mobile to post on the internet? How very brave!

 

[brunswick]

[MENTION=2850]brunswick[/MENTION]

I'm no going to shout abuse at you.
I haven't had time to go through all our theories, there may be something in it.
But can you answer me ONE question. WHY? What did we have to gain if it was an "inside job" as you belive

Thanks Gerbil, I appreciate it.

From my research it looked like this......

At the time of the bombings Tony Blair was suffering low popularity and the public did not want British troops out in the Middle East. Blair needed something, and at the time of the bombings it just so happened that he was at Gleneagles with Bush and the other G8 (Bilderberger) cronies. Their talk on world poverty conveniently turned into a talk on a war against global terror.


From going into the middle east MASSIVE boosts occur to the economy:

oil is secured.
new military bases are created.
bombs are dropped.
infrastructure contracts are secured (airports, hospitals etc blown up, then rebuilt by western companies).
more control over other countries - patsy governments are put in place, and western central banks are inserted.

therefore these countries become another state of the corporatocracy - e.g the land is governed and controlled by another tentacle of the elite.

problem reaction solution has been done for decades again and again.

creat the problem: muslim bombers attacking our land.
get the (already known) reaction: go get them, defend our "freedom"
solution: wade in take over with the backing of most.

Before the london bombings going into Iraq was never an option in the publics eye (sun readers etc). Also when David Kelly said there were no WMD he was bumped off....and i have lots of information showing how his suicide was "super dodgy."

Mainstream media is controlled by 5 (five) mega profit making corps and they are part of the corporatocracy, the governments have little say and are just TV frontmen.

The people are sleepy, there is an unelected EU government that people work and give their "tax" too, and don't even care - save for the odd moan at the pub or at the bus stop.

The people at the top do not care for nations, they push nationalism into the consciousness, they just want more control and power and use nationalism, race as a simple way to divide.

Think of what Hitler gained from his false flag terror attack regarding the Reichstag and you have a similar picture.

 

[brunswick]

I have experienced Politicians and Governments lieing and covering up the truth towards various ends and have no problem believing this is a regular occurence.

However if you believe that 9/11 and 7/7 were inside jobs, just stop for a moment and consider the logistics of a project of this size. If you have any experience of running large projects in any field, you would know that the idea that a major clandestine project involving people, technology and infrastructure, Politicans, Government and security services being run to plan and remaining secret is laughable.

this is a common defense - but it really is not that hard - 50 odd people max could push out a 9/11 type project.

5 managers / cost consultants (remember the ammount of black money the CIA get from cocaine etc).
10 demolitions team
10 super weapons team (drone planes, super weapon,
10 high officials in the know covering
9 CIA / FBI top brass
1 super hot P/A

Think of a pyramid, and only the top are in the know - e.g. the 1000 people on the Drill on 7/7 did not know it was going to be for real and now live as coincidence theorists.

 

[Titanic]

...Think of what Hitler gained from his false flag terror attack regarding the Reichstag and you have a similar picture.

Reductio ad Hilterum. Brilliant!

 

[Titanic]

this is a common defense - but it really is not that hard - 50 odd people max could push out a 9/11 type project.

5 managers / cost consultants (remember the ammount of black money the CIA get from cocaine etc).
10 demolitions team
10 super weapons team (drone planes, super weapon,
10 high officials in the know covering
9 CIA / FBI top brass
1 super hot P/A

Think of a pyramid, and only the top are in the know - e.g. the 1000 people on the Drill on 7/7 did not know it was going to be for real and now live as coincidence theorists.

Serious question: Do you really believe this horseshit? or has this thread all been an elaborate hoax?