100, 000 scroungers

[Juan Albion]

So many Questions, so few answers.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Perhaps we should throw all these people out of the UK?

After all, I've heard plenty on here moaning about how foreign immigrants are stealing all our jobs, and sponging off the state.

So come on then, BNP fans. What do you propose to do with all the white, English scroungers? We all believe in justice and equality, don't we, so where are we going to send them to? I presume the same places we should obviously be sending all the "foreigners" to.

Poland? India? Slovakia?

 

[Questions]

No scroungers are our problem. We cannot send them anywhere........................................................ apart from the vivisectionists of course.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Re: Re: 100, 000 scroungers

On what basis do you make that statement?

I should imagine he basis it on more Labour lies.

Those Lazy C**ts are taking the piss out of us and the Labour Party seem more than happy to let them.

 

[Nemesis]

When did NSC become the forum of choice for some members of the Neo-Nazi Party?

I hope that all of you hand wringing, right wing nutters find yourselves in a position where the money has run out and you need help. And the DSS (or whatever it's called) calls you a lazy **** and tells you to f*** off and fend for yourself.

 

[Chesney Christ]

use them all for medical research , if they fail to turn up then hang them

Scrounging arseholes

The Voice of Reason... as always. Read fatbadger's post above and educate yourself a little bit. Otherwise, stay out of adult conversations from now on please.

 

[Questions]

When did NSC become the forum of choice for some members of the Neo-Nazi Party?

I hope that all of you hand wringing, right wing nutters find yourselves in a position where the money has run out and you need help. And the DSS (or whatever it's called) calls you a lazy **** and tells you to f*** off and fend for yourself.

The people we are talking about are the ones who refuse work even though they are fit to do so.Not people who are down on their luck and need a hand up.

A hand up not a hand out.

Thats the right wing nutters adage for the day.

 

[Questions]

Re: Re: 100, 000 scroungers

You see the problem there? "according to [the] government]" clearly means it is entirely untrustworthy.

After all, if anyone refuses to work - or expresses that refusal to the DSS, the only body capable of counting these figures - then he or she loses his or her benefit. Thus, there is no-one in this country on benefits who has "refused' in any meaningful, or countable, way to work.

The figure is actually those on unemployment benefit for ten years or more. One of those is a woman I know who lives in a village with no bus service and no employers, has lost nearly all of her sight because of a congenital condition, cannot get a driving license because of her poor sight, but was turned down for incapacity benefit because she can see enough to work. What options does she have? She can't afford to move privately, and she's been on the council house waiting list for years (during which time most have been sold off). What are her options? You would have her starve. She would rather not. You're a twat. She's not.

If you think I am a twat because I feel it is wrong to cheat hard working people which is what the dole scroungers are doing then fair enough I am twattier than Freddie the twat from Twatland at the world twatting championships.

Ten years ......................... if she is disabled fair enough but ...... f*** me you may not be a twat ( thats me ) but you are naive if you think all the long term unemployed are trying their best.

 

[Buzzer]

When did NSC become the forum of choice for some members of the Neo-Nazi Party?

I hope that all of you hand wringing, right wing nutters find yourselves in a position where the money has run out and you need help. And the DSS (or whatever it's called) calls you a lazy **** and tells you to f*** off and fend for yourself.

1) As far as I know there is no party registered as the 'Neo-Nazi party'

2) NSC reflects society i.e. a broad range of political opinions

3) The posts are in the main tongue in cheek and good-natured

4) Do-good liberals wring their hands. NOT right wing nutters

5) You're berating people for (presumably) being mean-spirited by telling scroungers to get up off their arses and then wishing people the misfortune to fall upon hard times and then get no assistance. Umm, pot..kettle?

6) Apart from that spot on. Keep up the good work.

 

[Man of Harveys]

Questions, why don't you go and do some work? Like going and digging your own grave, jumping in it and staying there, you pointless, weird, preachy, unfunny, tedious, right-wing c*nt? xx

EDIT - have a GREAT Xmas

 

[Questions]

Questions, why don't you go and do some work? Like going and digging your own grave, jumping in it and staying there, you pointless, weird, preachy, unfunny, tedious, right-wing c*nt? xx

EDIT - have a GREAT Xmas

Me do some work. Thats choice coming from a man who spends half his life on here.

right wing me ? ..................... where




ps if you dont like what I say.................... f*** off to another thread and talk about biscuits or dogs in fancy dress.

 

[Questions]

1) As far as I know there is no party registered as the 'Neo-Nazi party'

2) NSC reflects society i.e. a broad range of political opinions

3) The posts are in the main tongue in cheek and good-natured

4) Do-good liberals wring their hands. NOT right wing nutters

5) You're berating people for (presumably) being mean-spirited by telling scroungers to get up off their arses and then wishing people the misfortune to fall upon hard times and then get no assistance. Umm, pot..kettle?

6) Apart from that spot on. Keep up the good work.

Dont go getting all rational now. Self-opinionated twats only on here.

 

[Chesney Christ]

Re: Re: Re: 100, 000 scroungers

Ten years ......................... if she is disabled fair enough but ...... f*** me you may not be a twat ( thats me ) but you are naive if you think all the long term unemployed are trying their best.

How do you know any better? Have you done PERSONAL research into the matter or do you just take all your opinions directly from The Daily Mail, The Sun and The Express?

 

[Questions]

Re: Re: Re: Re: 100, 000 scroungers

How do you know any better? Have you done PERSONAL research into the matter or do you just take all your opinions directly from The Daily Mail, The Sun and The Express?

Shit I`ve just realised what I have been saying.Thank god for you lot.

I read the Times and listen to 5 live for the majority of my imformation.The bastards they have contrived to turn me into a right wing xenophobe.
I am glad people like man of Harveys and your good self can put forward a left wing slant to the Genghis Khans at the Times and the BBC (the bastards)

 

[Chesney Christ]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 100, 000 scroungers

Shit I`ve just realised what I have been saying.Thank god for you lot.

I read the Times and listen to 5 live for the majority of my imformation.The bastards they have contrived to turn me into a right wing xenophobe.
I am glad people like man of Harveys and your good self can put forward a left wing slant to the Genghis Khans at the Times and the BBC (the bastards)

Sorry, I don't remember accusing you of being anything did I? I'm just asking where and when you did your detailed research into the long term unemployed. You clearly know an awful lot about the matter, otherwise it would be pretty thick-skulled of you to say things like "but you are naive if you think all the long term unemployed are trying their best.".

So, like I asked before, where and when did you do your research into this matter, and can you please give examples.....

 

[Napper]

The Voice of Reason... as always. Read fatbadger's post above and educate yourself a little bit. Otherwise, stay out of adult conversations from now on please.

 

[Questions]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 100, 000 scroungers

Sorry, I don't remember accusing you of being anything did I? I'm just asking where and when you did your detailed research into the long term unemployed. You clearly know an awful lot about the matter, otherwise it would be pretty thick-skulled of you to say things like "but you are naive if you think all the long term unemployed are trying their best.".

So, like I asked before, where and when did you do your research into this matter, and can you please give examples.....

BBC

Hutton tackles long-term unemployed Monday December 18, 12:01 PM

A new drive to get the long-term unemployed back into work could see people having their benefits cut, or stopped altogether, under plans outlined by the government.

Work and pensions secretary John Hutton said a "hardcore" of benefit claimants are failing to compete for jobs with growing numbers of immigrants - many from eastern Europe.

Government figures show that around 950,000 people were claiming jobseekers' allowance last month.

Nearly 100,000 of those are thought to have


spent six of the past seven years on benefits.
But speaking at the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) in London, Hutton insisted "opportunities are out there" for people who want employment.

And he unveiled a review to look at ways of encouraging them to get back into the workplace.

"The next challenge we face is to ensure the hardcore of 'can work but won't work' benefit claimants take advantage of the opportunities out there and compete for jobs alongside growing numbers of migrants who arrive in Britain specifically to look for work rather than to settle for the long term," Hutton said.

Ahead of the speech, he told BBC Radio Five Live: "I'm prepared to do more to help people get back to work, but I'm not prepared to see people hold two fingers up to the rest of us and say, you know, I'm going to say and choose to stay on benefit for as long as I want to. That isn't part of the deal."

And he suggested there could be moves to cut - or even stop - benefits for those who did not do enough to find work.

At the moment, only a very small percentage of jobseekers face such sanctions.

"We need to ask whether we should expect more from some in return for the help we provide," Hutton said.

He said people had to take "more active steps to get back into the labour market" and become more involved in programmes that could help them get a job.

"And for those who won't do so, then there should be consequences, including less benefit or no benefit at all," he told the IPPR.

The move is likely to raise concern among Labour MPs on the left of the party who are opposed to attempts to force people off benefits.




The Financial Times.

David Frost, director-general of the British Chambers of Commerce, said it was an "economic and social imperative that we tackle low aspiration. In achieving this, reform of the benefits system is long overdue".
Susan Anderson, director of human resources policy at the CBI employers' body, said Mr Hutton was right to say the UK could not afford to have people claiming benefits when they could be working. But "employers will only take on people with the right skills and the right attitude. So any proposals need to make appropriate training and confidence-building, not just financial arm-twisting, key parts of the equation".

Steve Mason, skills project director of A4E, which provides welfare-to-work programmes and support services, said there was a "hard core" of benefit claimants "that need to be addressed through harder lines". But that had to be done without their families being further disadvantaged, he said.

Brendan Barber, Trades Union Congress general secretary, said there were already existing, if little-used, sanctions for those who refused to take jobs.


I hope this goes some way to answering your question but please do not hesitate to get back to me if you need any more imformation.

 

[Chesney Christ]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 100, 000 scroungers

BBC

Hutton tackles long-term unemployed Monday December 18, 12:01 PM

A new drive to get the long-term unemployed back into work could see people having their benefits cut, or stopped altogether, under plans outlined by the government.

Work and pensions secretary John Hutton said a "hardcore" of benefit claimants are failing to compete for jobs with growing numbers of immigrants - many from eastern Europe.

Government figures show that around 950,000 people were claiming jobseekers' allowance last month.

Nearly 100,000 of those are thought to have


spent six of the past seven years on benefits.
But speaking at the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) in London, Hutton insisted "opportunities are out there" for people who want employment.

And he unveiled a review to look at ways of encouraging them to get back into the workplace.

"The next challenge we face is to ensure the hardcore of 'can work but won't work' benefit claimants take advantage of the opportunities out there and compete for jobs alongside growing numbers of migrants who arrive in Britain specifically to look for work rather than to settle for the long term," Hutton said.

Ahead of the speech, he told BBC Radio Five Live: "I'm prepared to do more to help people get back to work, but I'm not prepared to see people hold two fingers up to the rest of us and say, you know, I'm going to say and choose to stay on benefit for as long as I want to. That isn't part of the deal."

And he suggested there could be moves to cut - or even stop - benefits for those who did not do enough to find work.

At the moment, only a very small percentage of jobseekers face such sanctions.

"We need to ask whether we should expect more from some in return for the help we provide," Hutton said.

He said people had to take "more active steps to get back into the labour market" and become more involved in programmes that could help them get a job.

"And for those who won't do so, then there should be consequences, including less benefit or no benefit at all," he told the IPPR.

The move is likely to raise concern among Labour MPs on the left of the party who are opposed to attempts to force people off benefits.




The Financial Times.

David Frost, director-general of the British Chambers of Commerce, said it was an "economic and social imperative that we tackle low aspiration. In achieving this, reform of the benefits system is long overdue".
Susan Anderson, director of human resources policy at the CBI employers' body, said Mr Hutton was right to say the UK could not afford to have people claiming benefits when they could be working. But "employers will only take on people with the right skills and the right attitude. So any proposals need to make appropriate training and confidence-building, not just financial arm-twisting, key parts of the equation".

Steve Mason, skills project director of A4E, which provides welfare-to-work programmes and support services, said there was a "hard core" of benefit claimants "that need to be addressed through harder lines". But that had to be done without their families being further disadvantaged, he said.

Brendan Barber, Trades Union Congress general secretary, said there were already existing, if little-used, sanctions for those who refused to take jobs.


I hope this goes some way to answering your question but please do not hesitate to get back to me if you need any more imformation.

Sorry, I didn't say anything about copying and posting news article which prove nothing.

I asked what research you have done PERSONALLY, and what FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE you have of these so-called scroungers.

 

[Questions]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 100, 000 scroungers

Sorry, I didn't say anything about copying and posting news article which prove nothing.

I asked what research you have done PERSONALLY, and what FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE you have of these so-called scroungers.

Are you a member of the flat earth society.

We base our opinions on all sorts of research done by many different bodies. Some we have the utmost respect for and others we tend to treat with just a hint of sceptism.

I have no reason to doubt the words of the Director General of the British Chamber of Commerce or the Director of the Human Resources policy at the CBI Employers body.

Of course if you think these people are talking rubbish then you will no doubt want to explain why and offer a alternative policy based on your own imformation gathered by respected experts in the field.

 

[Chesney Christ]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 100, 000 scroungers

Are you a member of the flat earth society.

We base our opinions on all sorts of research done by many different bodies. Some we have the utmost respect for and others we tend to treat with just a hint of sceptism.

I have no reason to doubt the words of the Director General of the British Chamber of Commerce or the Director of the Human Resources policy at the CBI Employers body.

Of course if you think these people are talking rubbish then you will no doubt want to explain why and offer a alternative policy based on your own imformation gathered by respected experts in the field.

Okay, ignoring the fact that you have absolutely no first hand experience of any of what you are talking about, I'll start by asking where in either of those articles does it say anything about "scroungers"?

It quoted that 100,000 people have been on benefits for 6 or 7 years, but, as highlighted by fatbadger (someone who does have first hand experience and thus is in a better position to comment on it than you) earlier in the thread if you'll bother to read it, many of these people have legitimate reasons for being on benefit, making your initial rant about "100,000 scroungers, probably more" total, well....bollocks.