1 million youth unemployed

[Barnham Seagull]

So now its ONLY influenced by the Euro zone. Interesting these clowns are the ones that are getting the lowest interest on debts. Something is working if not the population!

Ask yourself would Labour be doing any better?

Yes they have low interests on debts but they now have high unemployment and are killing industries again which will be replaced with far east imports.

Both Labour and Torries are shite, a middle path between these two would be perfect.

 

[cunning fergus]

Anyone who thinks that uncontrolled immigration from the EU (and outside) has not had an effect on the employment prospects to UK citizens cannot understand basic supply and demand. Simply, they are wrong.

There are some specific factors around some areas of industry in the UK that make migrants a more attractive proposition. However on the whole because we have had an influx of 2-3m or so in recent years it is only natural that in their demand for work someone else has to lose out.

Certainly, some UK citizens are happy to sit on benefits (a position that can be solved) and some of the young are not leaving school with skills and qualifications that make them as employable as some migrants (which can be solved too).

Nonetheless that does not mean that UK citizens are inherently lazy or not willing to take certain types of roles. Frankly the individuals on here that believe this is the case are guilty of the worst kind of bigotry.

Sadly, its a position that's unlikely to get better, at some point we will need to cut hundreds of thousands from the Public Sector, increase taxes and cut benefits.

We can moan about it and pitch tents in parks but that is the cold reality. So get over it.

 

[pauli cee]

I dont buy the migrants crap there are jobs people just won't get there hands dirty and do jobs that they feel are bellong them.

If there is a position for a job in Britain and two applicants, one British and one Australian apply, they both offer the same skills and comittment etc. etc. would it not be prudent for any government to expect the British worker to access that employment ahead of his Australian counterpart.

yep. i was living in aus/nz when the "credit crunch" apparantly kicked in. it was government policy in both countries to give preference to their own,. which i totally agreed with and came home, to unemployment,( tho now working and doing quite well)

 

[pauli cee]

Why doesn't Britain make things any more? | Business | The Guardian

This is a very interesting article.

"There was a deep satisfaction about making things," he said. "A deep satisfaction among all of those that had supplied the services, whether it was the local bankers with credit; whether it was the local design firms. When a ship was launched at [Newcastle firm] Swan Hunter all the kids at the local school went to see the thing our fathers had put together and when we looked down from the cross-wired fence, tried to find Uncle Mick, Uncle Jim or your dad, this notion of an integrated, productive community was quite astonishing."

This is what we need again. There is a lot of pride in making things.

this. personally i find making love a good place to start...

 

[beorhthelm]

for some perspective see the beeb piece yesturday, youth unemployment half way down.

 

[glasfryn]

As the manager of a small engineering company most of the young ppl i have interviewed are almost unemployable in any capacity, as most dress like tramps and cannot fill in an application form using a pen.
That doesn't come with a spell checker attached

this sounds right I went into B&Q not long ago and bumped into a fellow Englishman who is coming up to retirement he said that B&Q employed more older people because they firstly could do the job, read and write, get there on time and were affable with the customers ......................there is something wrong somewhere when that is going on, not that I think thats wrong why should any company employ someone just because they are young when they cannot do the job.
just to throw another spanner in the works .......is it to do with the education they get?

 

[Billy the Fish]

A bit late to wade into this thread but it's been an interesting read, and not a binfest in sight
Picked out these of page 5 because I agree.

Labour's answer was to encourage all school leavers to stay in education. This only deferred the problem. They were not creating jobs for the young but were giving the youth inflated expectations of what to expect in the job market.

The main problem that exists with anyone who continues in education is that no one ends up qualified to do anything. Without the practical experience of working in the workplace you are not able to be of much use. This is the same in virtually any field. Labour gave the impression that getting a degree will get you a job. Years ago maybe but with so many these days achieving degrees the markets are flooded with graduates. Once it was a tool into management, showing your ability to learn, but nowadays it means nearly bugger all.

Agree, Tony's big Idea of 50% of people getting a degree was never going to work. The numbers just don't add up. Now there's a whole generation of students graduating with a degree but up to their eyeballs in debt, only to find they are no closer to a job because they are still behind the top 25% who went to good unis and got a 1st/masters etc.
They are also behind people like me who dropped out of A levels through pure laziness, but got an apprenticeship and now have 10 years experience in an industry. The other day I was working with a bloke who had a computer science degree, he had so little aptitude for troubleshooting a problem it made me wonder how he got dressed in the morning, absolutely clueless

In very general terms, if we don't make anything as a country, we have nothing to serve or sell. Time has caught up with us and they'll be far more pain to come for sure and it'll last for even longer. I really think we're on the dawn of a new age...and it's not a happy one I'm afraid, the internet has changed everything far more than people actually realise. Our entire population needs a mind-set change. Those in power are incompetent, the voting choice is akin to picking Hitler or Stalin. But we're not exactly trying to change things from a grass roots level are we? People don't vote. Moreover, people don't want to become the people to vote FOR! We just accept and grumble. Apathy rules. We're all victims of circumstance. I'm a big believer in personal empowerment (though often don't swallow my own medicine!). A lot's got to change, but it'll only happen very slowly. Humanity's usual response is to have a massive war, if the pressures on resources and economies is too great. Sad but true, it's the longest period of general peace this world's ever known; history is against us! Quite frightening if you pause for a minute and really think about it. )

I've been thinking about this recently. Our generation is very much a victim of circumstance and it's only going to get worse. The population is rising rapidly, but traditional jobs are being lost to technology that is more efficient than a person. Add to it successive governments that lack the wit to fill the gap, we are only heading in one direction. Get tooled up lads, we're off on another crusade!

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

The other day I was working with a bloke who had a computer science degree, he had so little aptitude for troubleshooting a problem it made me wonder how he got dressed in the morning, absolutely clueless

Equally a good friend of mine has a marine biology degree and is one of the hottest programmers I know. We all have tales and experiences to fit either argument. If someone with insufficient troubleshooting skills has slipped through the net it's your recruitment process which is to blame, not their degree.

 

[butchy]

I graduated this summer and got straight onto one of the best graduate schemes in the country. Winning

 

[The Auctioneer]

For me personally...the jobs that migrants have taken are the ones everyone who now has a plastic degree do not want. Get real. Only a certain percentage were supposed to get good degrees and take the best jobs. The rest are supposed to work for minimum wage. Now that everyone gets a degree everybody wants £20,000+ per annum. So the jobs for minimum wage are now gone to migrants and everybodies complaining. Stop, your degree is worth nothing compared to a better degree. So accept it and take the shit jobs nobody(except migrants) want. I noted in the SUN that they always seem to find thousands of jobs for commission only and minimum wage.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

For me personally...the jobs that migrants have taken are the ones everyone who now has a plastic degree do not want. Get real. Only a certain percentage were supposed to get good degrees and take the best jobs. The rest are supposed to work for minimum wage. Now that everyone gets a degree everybody wants £20,000+ per annum. So the jobs for minimum wage are now gone to migrants and everybodies complaining. Stop, your degree is worth nothing compared to a better degree. So accept it and take the shit jobs nobody(except migrants) want. I noted in the SUN that they always seem to find thousands of jobs for commission only and minimum wage.

You were doing so well until you mentioned you read The Sun.

 

[The Auctioneer]

You were doing so well until you mentioned you read The Sun.

Added for inflammatory purposes only. p.s read the Racing Post.