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Bolton boss, Phil Gartside - what a tosser



eastlondonseagull

Well-known member
Jan 15, 2004
13,385
West Yorkshire
Bolton chief Phil Gartside has called for revolutionary changes to the top flight, including the introduction of a two-division Premier League.

Gartside, one of the longest-serving chairmen in the top flight and a member of the Football Association's board, is proposing a two-division Premier League be set up - and perhaps even with no relegation to the Football League.

Gartside has also demanded that British club owners be protected from foreign tycoons and for consideration to be given for players to be wage-capped.

He admits his call will cause huge controversy, especially with clubs in the lower leagues, but said it was vital that football had a debate to address problems in the game and the increasing lack of competitiveness at the top of Premier League.

Gartside said: "We have to start considering what the structure of the league is, and it is time to look at two Premier Leagues - Premier League One and Premier League Two - and the way the finance is allocated.

"You could have 36 Premier League clubs split into 18 and 18 and that would also solve the problems of the winter break and supporting the England team.

"It would even everything out and it would make it more competitive on that basis.

"We have already got to the situation where the three clubs that go down from the Premier League are usually the three that come up, although a couple of others might sneak in.

"I don't have the answers but it is certainly time for a debate - perhaps even on not having relegation from a second division of the Premier League."

Gartside, who has been a Bolton director for 20 years and chairman for nine, said clubs should not fear change.

He added: "It would be revolutionary but I don't think this would be as revolutionary as when the Premier League was set up, and we should open our minds to change. I know a lot of Football League clubs won't like it - but a lot will.

"If the FA and the Government are going to start looking at debt structure and financial constraints on clubs then we are going to have to do something."

Gartside added that owners of clubs such as Bolton, Middlesbrough, Wigan and Blackburn needed protection from the invasion of overseas investors.

"The traditional type of owner are something of a dying breed, instead you have the Sheikh of wherever and people like the Glazers coming in.

"Local businessmen like [Bolton owner] Eddie Davies, the late Jack Walker [at Blackburn], Dave Whelan [Wigan] and Steve Gibson [Middlesbrough] have given their town teams unbelievable financial backing.

"They need to be protected in some way from the influx of outside investors with seemingly unlimited funds."

Gartside said time was running out - because once foreign owners became an overall majority in the Premier League it would be impossible to protect their interests.

"There is still talk about foreign takeovers of Newcastle, Everton and Liverpool, again, and once we have 14 foreign owners in the Premier League we have a problem," he said.

"At the moment we can still muster enough votes against anything that might change the structure for the worse. Come the day when you have 14 foreign owners we won't be able to do that."

Gartside has also changed his mind about wage-capping and now believes it might be the only way to maintain competitiveness.

The Bolton chairman added: "I have been against wage-capping in the past but it has come to the point now where we have to look seriously at it.

"When Manchester City go out and spend £30million on a player and then pay him whatever he wants as a salary, then that raises the bar for us next time we go into the transfer market.

"We have to look to see whether we can bring in a system of wage-capping, perhaps like they have in American football or Aussie rules."
 






Man of Harveys

Well-known member
Jul 9, 2003
18,877
Brighton, UK
Why o why is the game run by greedy, weird, dodgy mentalists who can't leave anything alone for five minutes?
 








Questions

Habitual User
Oct 18, 2006
25,511
Worthing
Why o why is the game run by greedy, weird, dodgy mentalists who can't leave anything alone for five minutes?


For christ`s sake they`ll be introducing substitutions and goal nets next.
 


CHAPPERS

DISCO SPENG
Jul 5, 2003
45,096
I think Mr Gartside wants to start worrying about paying off the huge debts that Bolton owe before running his mouth about how the league should, or shouldn't, be structured.

Twat.
 




Questions

Habitual User
Oct 18, 2006
25,511
Worthing
Its chairman of football clubs who have called the shots since the year dot.

The premier league as it stands was formed by chairmen who saw it as the best way forward for THEIR clubs. If we were in their position we would be exactly the same.

Its more a business now that ever so to expect some sort of socialist utopia amongst the big boys is naive in the extreme.
 


Barrel of Fun

Abort, retry, fail
Day-by-day my dislike for professional football grows at an alarming rate. The whole Premiership bubble makes me sick to the bottom of my stomach.

The 39th game fiasco. Obviously about spreading the love of the game and nothing to do with filling the pockets of those that are already filthy rich on the back of Joe Public.

Super Sundays. Best League in the World. Average players earning more in a week than key workers in a year. Fans being priced out of the game. £50m for finishing bottom of the league. Parachute payments. More outlets selling replica shirts of the big four in any given city/town than the actual local team.

"No-one needs a new stadium more than Liverpool".

Hours before a potential winding up order and deadline for Rotherham United (relegated to a little sub-heading) and the main news was about Wes Brown signing a new contract. We have news channels and Sky in a panic with an emergency press conference called by Chelsea. Are they going bankrupt? Has Abramovich been assassinated? No, Lampard has signed a new contract.

'Stevie G' holding out for a new contract with Liverpool. "I am not willing to sign yet as I want to concentrate on the game itself". Cue a £20,000 a week pay rise. "It has always been about Liverpool. No-one else."

G14 wanting a share of gate receipts from international tournaments.

Richard Scudamore biting back at The FA for being overcritical of the debt culture in the Premiership. Something along the lines of... "The FA are a right bunch to talk. They have an income of £300m, whilst being in debt to the tune of £350m due to the construction of Wembley Stadium". A stadium that was crucial as opposed to selling the family silver to give Rooney a bit more pocket money.

Sadly, I can't see anything changing soon and I would not be surprised if the Premiership did become a closed shop. Gartside must hope it will come about soon as I am sure Bolton are going to struggle to hold onto their place in the near future.

Football - Established 1992.

Go on, cancel your Sky subscriptions.
 
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Paxton Dazo

Up The Spurs.
Mar 11, 2007
9,719
dont start a spurs thread ( s'about the prem so must be a spurs thread) - this is a brighton board.

I dont care about your pansie league, Da PwEmIeRShIp Is WealllLlllYU Baddd
 




Napper

Well-known member
Jul 9, 2003
24,452
Sussex
will never happen. Unlike the proposal to play a couple of games abroad a season.....which WILL happen

Capping the number of foreigners in a side would fix alot IMO
 


Dave the OAP

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
46,762
at home
this was muted when Huddersfield's ground first opened and we were top of the then 1st division ( now championship) There was various meetings held to discuss the feasability.

Its nothing new
 


seagully

Cock-knobs!
Jun 30, 2006
2,960
Battle
Day-by-day my dislike for professional football grows at an alarming rate. The whole Premiership bubble makes me sick to the bottom of my stomach.

The 39th game fiasco. Obviously about spreading the love of the game and nothing to do with filling the pockets of those that are already filthy rich on the back of Joe Public.

Super Sundays. Best League in the World. Average players earning more in a week than key workers in a year. Fans being priced out of the game. £50m for finishing bottom of the league. Parachute payments. More outlets selling replica shirts of the big four in any given city/town than the actual local team.

"No-one needs a new stadium more than Liverpool".

Hours before a potential winding up order and deadline for Rotherham United (relegated to a little sub-heading) and the main news was about Wes Brown signing a new contract. We have news channels and Sky in a panic with an emergency press conference called by Chelsea. Are they going bankrupt? Has Abramovich been assassinated? No, Lampard has signed a new contract.

'Stevie G' holding out for a new contract with Liverpool. "I am not willing to sign yet as I want to concentrate on the game itself". Cue a £20,000 a week pay rise. "It has always been about Liverpool. No-one else."

G14 wanting a share of gate receipts from international tournaments.

Richard Scudamore biting back at The FA for being overcritical of the debt culture in the Premiership. Something along the lines of... "The FA are a right bunch to talk. They have an income of £300m, whilst being in debt to the tune of £350m due to the construction of Wembley Stadium". A stadium that was crucial as opposed to selling the family silver to give Rooney a bit more pocket money.

Sadly, I can't see anything changing soon and I would not be surprised if the Premiership did become a closed shop. Gartside must hope it will come about soon as I am sure Bolton are going to struggle to hold onto their place in the near future.

Football - Established 1992.

Go on, cancel your Sky subscriptions.

I think that post is the most sensible (and true) thing I've ever read on this board. Agree 100% with the state the game is in at the moment. Very sad.
 




Cian

Well-known member
Jul 16, 2003
14,262
Dublin, Ireland
We've a two division 'top flight', no relegation to the lower leagues, and a wage cap in the FAI system.


Its done f*** all to improve the league. Clubs find innovative ways around wage caps - some realised they could pay a player the cap amount in to their hand (and cover the PAYE themselves) so its now moved to a % of turnover cap - which does nothing.

The weaker teams at the bottom of the First regularly get turned over in the Cup by regional league teams - they're shite, and they've no incentive to improve knowing their position in the main league is secure. The same would happen in England if this happened - top end FL teams would be much better than 30th->36th in the two-tier "Premier".
 


Cheshire Cat

The most curious thing..
Why not a Premier league "city" franchise scheme, which would mean that Bolton (which is not a city) is subsumed by Manchester, but that Brighton (which is a city).....
 


Silent Bob

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Dec 6, 2004
22,172
dont start a spurs thread ( s'about the prem so must be a spurs thread) - this is a brighton board.

I dont care about your pansie league, Da PwEmIeRShIp Is WealllLlllYU Baddd
I'm almost certain you are on crystal meth.
 


Paxton Dazo

Up The Spurs.
Mar 11, 2007
9,719
I'm almost certain you are on crystal meth.

So would you be if you have krusty the clown in goal- a right winger who cant cross - a manager who thinks playing your best centre midfielder should play RB ( sorta like adams playing V in goal.) etc.

But apart from tht i love life:rolleyes::lol:
 




drew

Drew
NSC Patron
Oct 3, 2006
23,622
Burgess Hill
Day-by-day my dislike for professional football grows at an alarming rate. The whole Premiership bubble makes me sick to the bottom of my stomach.

The 39th game fiasco. Obviously about spreading the love of the game and nothing to do with filling the pockets of those that are already filthy rich on the back of Joe Public.

Super Sundays. Best League in the World. Average players earning more in a week than key workers in a year. Fans being priced out of the game. £50m for finishing bottom of the league. Parachute payments. More outlets selling replica shirts of the big four in any given city/town than the actual local team.

"No-one needs a new stadium more than Liverpool".

Hours before a potential winding up order and deadline for Rotherham United (relegated to a little sub-heading) and the main news was about Wes Brown signing a new contract. We have news channels and Sky in a panic with an emergency press conference called by Chelsea. Are they going bankrupt? Has Abramovich been assassinated? No, Lampard has signed a new contract.

'Stevie G' holding out for a new contract with Liverpool. "I am not willing to sign yet as I want to concentrate on the game itself". Cue a £20,000 a week pay rise. "It has always been about Liverpool. No-one else."

G14 wanting a share of gate receipts from international tournaments.

Richard Scudamore biting back at The FA for being overcritical of the debt culture in the Premiership. Something along the lines of... "The FA are a right bunch to talk. They have an income of £300m, whilst being in debt to the tune of £350m due to the construction of Wembley Stadium". A stadium that was crucial as opposed to selling the family silver to give Rooney a bit more pocket money.

Sadly, I can't see anything changing soon and I would not be surprised if the Premiership did become a closed shop. Gartside must hope it will come about soon as I am sure Bolton are going to struggle to hold onto their place in the near future.

Football - Established 1992.

Go on, cancel your Sky subscriptions.

I think that post is the most sensible (and true) thing I've ever read on this board. Agree 100% with the state the game is in at the moment. Very sad.

couldn't agree more. Gartside says clubs should not fear change but that is exactly what he does fear except in the real world it's called relegation. Hopefully Uefa and Fifa would not back such proposals as I am not sure that any other national league bans relegation?
 


Djmiles

Barndoor Holroyd
Dec 1, 2005
12,064
Kitchener, Canada
If you want a winter break, how about changing the Premiership to 18 teams, instead of having TWO divisions of 18. Wanker:tosser:
 


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