[Football] Season ticket sharing

BNthree · Aug 17, 2021

Wozza said:
You sure about that? First club I looked at...

https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/fans/membership/membership-terms/

Poking about on the Spurs site and:

Their scheme doesn't cost them £20 to be able to share their tickets; instead it's free of charge. I assume that wasn't the point you were trying to make?

https://ask.tottenhamhotspur.com/hc/en-us/articles/360003131979

Sheebo · Aug 17, 2021

nwgull said:
What did you do before this season when the option wasn't available to officially lend a ticket to a mate?

Has always been done and the club have officially said they ‘turn a blind eye’ - horses mouth - Barber etc. Everyone did it come on!

Wozza · Aug 17, 2021

BNthree said:
Poking about on the Spurs site and:

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Their scheme doesn't cost them £20 to be able to share their tickets; instead it's free of charge. I assume that wasn't the point you were trying to make?

TBF, I instantly spotted "ID check" and moved on.

(Perhaps Spurs have factored ticket sharing into their season ticket prices - FOUR times as much for kids)

Sheebo · Aug 17, 2021

Wozza said:
You sure about that? First club I looked at...

https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/fans/membership/membership-terms/

It’ll be in all the terms but they don’t enforce it nor should they. Don’t know specifics but few mates have done it already sat - Chelsea fan I know / Man Utd etc. There may be the odd one - not sure on the ID thing and where you need it. Either way, it’s a money making ploy that wasn’t here before and a bit annoying. Not the end of the world.

Haha just read the other quotes - so yes - it’s free to pass on like I SUGGESTED earlier!

BNthree · Aug 17, 2021

sheebo said:
It’ll be in all the terms but they don’t enforce it nor should they. Don’t know specifics but few mates have done it already sat - Chelsea fan I know / Man Utd etc. There may be the odd one - not sure on the ID thing and where you need it. Either way, it’s a money making ploy that wasn’t here before and a bit annoying. Not the end of the world.

Have a look at my reply:

https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/show...cket-sharing&p=9971198&viewfull=1#post9971198

Spurs have ST sharing but the scheme is free. No £20 charge.

Wozza · Aug 17, 2021

sheebo said:
Not the end of the world.

Indeed.

Sheebo · Aug 17, 2021

BNthree said:
Have a look at my reply:

https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/show...cket-sharing&p=9971198&viewfull=1#post9971198

Spurs have ST sharing but the scheme is free. No £20 charge.

And no £25 per person extra. Unlucky [MENTION=189]Wozza[/MENTION] - point proven for me - thanks :lol:

The Albion are poor for doing this - fans trying to back up their clear greed with rules and regs are also showing poor form imo. The club don’t get everything right. This is poor. Game over, case closed.

Bry Nylon · Aug 17, 2021

sheebo said:
But the fact pretty much every other club in the country just lets you pass on your ticket for £0 - no fuss - no ID etc…? That’s the point.

But then no other club has to pay for travel to and from the stadium for all home and away supporters that use it for the past 10 years either and into the foreseeable future too. There is a limit to what the club can keep paying for in the face of multi-million pound loses plus supporters demanding a PL quality squad.

Anyone would think this charge is compulsory. It's optional. If I want to go and see Spurs on a borrowed ST, I look forward to Daniel Levy paying for my travel costs around London.

Terry Butcher Tribute Act · Aug 17, 2021

*Shock* Albion in uneccessary penny pinching ploy.

Tune in this time next year for the next installment.

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Bry Nylon · Aug 17, 2021

sheebo said:
And no £25 per person extra. Unlucky [MENTION=189]Wozza[/MENTION] - point proven for me - thanks

The Albion are poor for doing this - fans trying to back up their clear greed with rules and regs are also showing poor form imo. The club don’t get everything right. This is poor. Game over, case closed.

Suggest you email Tony Bloom when you get a minute and accuse him of being greedy where the Albion is concerned and let us know what he says.

The unpalatable truth of this is that the greedy ones are the 11 players who will line up for the game on Saturday having just banked anywhere between £40k-£70k each for one week's work. The more money that goes into a club, the more the players want to suck out, regardless of how much they already have. I don't blame people like yourself and others saying that another £20 is too much on principle, but the route cause isn't the club being greedy, it's the players.

Everything the club has done over the past x years that people see as 'penny-pinching' is simply to try and satisfy the annual contract demands of multi-millionaires who want thousands upon thousands of more £s a week. Exhibit A: Lewis Dunk. Is he being greedy? Because that's where the additional twenty quid will be going.

Wozza · Aug 17, 2021

sheebo said:
And no £25 per person extra. Unlucky [MENTION=189]Wozza[/MENTION] - point proven for me - thanks

The Albion are poor for doing this - fans trying to back up their clear greed with rules and regs are also showing poor form imo. The club don’t get everything right. This is poor. Game over, case closed.

I was replying to the broader point you made that at other clubs there's "no ID, no fuss etc etc"

Spurs might not charge to pass on your ticket, but I believe they charge a £40 admin fee when buying a season ticket, and 3.75% interest if you want to pay by installments.

As for hassle, Spurs fans have recently asked fans to validate their ID, so a photo is linked to all season tickets.

And ALL clubs may well require ID in coming weeks.

As you say, the situation at the Albion is "not the end of the world".

KeegansHairPiece · Aug 17, 2021

Bry Nylon said:
Suggest you email Tony Bloom when you get a minute and accuse him of being greedy where the Albion is concerned and let us know what he says.

The unpalatable truth of this is that the greedy ones are the 11 players who will line up for the game on Saturday having just banked anywhere between £40k-£70k each for one week's work. The more money that goes into a club, the more the players want to suck out, regardless of how much they already have. I don't blame people like yourself and others saying that another £20 is too much on principle, but the route cause isn't the club being greedy, it's the players.

Sorry BN, but how on earth are the players to blame for playing for a club for what is basically the going rate, or likely below the going rate in terms of Albion's wage structure compared to others?

The root cause of how much players are paid actually has NOTHING to do with player greed - clubs want the best player they can afford and will outbid a competitor to get them. I point you to this very forum last season in which this club achieved an unprecedented 5th season in the top flight on a tight budget in comparison to most other clubs, the bitter recriminations for not spending this on a player, sacking the manager etc. etc.

I don't know any other environment apart from charitable or voluntary work where an employee is expected to ask for less than the going rate - which is what you are saying. If it was player greed, it is easily solved at the drop of a hat – don't sign them. :shrug:

If I'm Lewis Dunk or Webster on £40 or £50pw or whatever it is, my benchmark isn't to say, wow that's a lot compared to a tradesman, my benchmark is Ben White is getting £110k+ pw and he's no better than us...That isn't greed by the players, that is attributing value to yourself, the same as anyone else does – if I'm a decent plumber with 20 years experience, I don't expect the same salary as a 1 year apprentice, but that doesn't make me greedy either.

The game is broken in many many ways financially, but the players, well, they're the last people I'd blame to be honest, they are just the commodities being traded.

Bry Nylon · Aug 17, 2021

KeegansHairPiece said:
Sorry BN, but how on earth are the players to blame for playing for a club for what is basically the going rate, or likely below the going rate in terms of Albion's wage structure compared to others?

The root cause of how much players are paid actually has NOTHING to do with player greed - clubs want the best player they can afford and will outbid a competitor to get them. I point you to this very forum last season in which this club achieved an unprecedented 5th season in the top flight on a tight budget in comparison to most other clubs, the bitter recriminations for not spending this on a player, sacking the manager etc. etc.

I don't know any other environment apart from charitable or voluntary work where an employee is expected to ask for less than the going rate - which is what you are saying. If it was player greed, it is easily solved at the drop of a hat – don't sign them.

If I'm Lewis Dunk or Webster on £40 or £50pw or whatever it is, my benchmark isn't to say, wow that's a lot compared to a tradesman, my benchmark is Ben White is getting £110k+ pw and he's no better than us...That isn't greed by the players, that is attributing value to yourself, the same as anyone else does – if I'm a decent plumber with 20 years experience, I don't expect the same salary as a 1 year apprentice, but that doesn't make me greedy either.

The game is broken in many many ways financially, but the players, well, they're the last people I'd blame to be honest, they are just the commodities being traded.

Yes - that's all valid and on reflection I agree with pretty much all of that.

I just suppose there is such a huge disconnect between what players earn (and wages account for by far the biggest proportion of any club's outgoings) and what the average supporter earns, that inevitably we (football in general, not just BHAFC) were going to end up in this place at some point.

PL players can command millions of pounds a year as that is their market value: supporters find themselves being squeezed for every penny at every opportunity to fund it. Not sure how that circle can be squared at the elite level without either players accepting less or supporters being prepared to pay more. As at [MENTION=189]Wozza[/MENTION] says above, Spurs let people transfer STs free of charge but they charge 3.75% if you want to pay by DD plus a £40 admin fee for buying a ST in the first place. I'm pretty sure they don't cover travel costs for fans across London either. Yet they are being held up as an example? Frankly, it doesn't matter which model you look at, all clubs will be lumping on additional fees, costs, charges etc somewhere. At least the Albion solution is optional.

So yes, I agree with your post, and nothing more than the bit that says the game is broken financially.

nwgull · Aug 17, 2021

sheebo said:
Has always been done and the club have officially said they ‘turn a blind eye’ - horses mouth - Barber etc. Everyone did it come on!

Exactly. And I'm confident that they'll continue to turn a blind eye. Apparently you get a new ticket to download for every game, so just forward that email to a trusted mate for the games that you can't go to.

KeegansHairPiece · Aug 17, 2021

Bry Nylon said:
Yes - that's all valid and on reflection I agree with pretty much all of that.

I just suppose there is such a huge disconnect between what players earn (and wages account for by far the biggest proportion of any club's outgoings) and what the average supporter earns, that inevitably we (football in general, not just BHAFA) were going to end up in this place at some point.

PL players can command millions of pounds a year as that is their market value: supporters find themselves being squeezed for every penny at every opportunity to fund it. Not sure how that circle can be squared at the elite level without either players accepting less or supporters being prepared to pay more.

So yes, I agree with your post, and nothing more than the bit that says the game is broken financially.

The same supporters being squeezed also demand better than last season, demand a new striker rather than what we have, want to bin off players that maybe bottom end of the pay ladder but aren’t good enough. We’re supposed to keep out goals from teams likely including 11 players all earning a lot more than ours. Some of the melt downs on this forum have been incredible. So agree with you, a vicious circle. Doesn’t matter how much Bloom bank rolls the club - will never be enough in the PL. a brutal reality.

matski_98 · Aug 17, 2021

nwgull said:
Exactly. And I'm confident that they'll continue to turn a blind eye. Apparently you get a new ticket to download for every game, so just forward that email to a trusted mate for the games that you can't go to.

Not sure it works that way. The season ticket on my phone automagically updates for each game and even if I were to lend my phone to someone else they'd still have to show photo ID at the turnstiles. So unless you've got a twin brother ...

nwgull · Aug 17, 2021

matski_98 said:
Not sure it works that way. The season ticket on my phone automagically updates for each game and even if I were to lend my phone to someone else they'd still have to show photo ID at the turnstiles. So unless you've got a twin brother ...

Fair enough. Someone earlier in the thread was suggesting that you get a new ticket sent each game. You'd have to have at least one person as an Albion+ member to assign it to then.

As for the ID, this is only to check against the Covid pass when entering the outer concourse and not against the ticket at turnstiles.

ken tiler · Aug 17, 2021

sharing deadline

For the Watford game, because of possible work commitments, the person involved in sharing one of my tickets doesn`t yet know if they can go to the game. When I spoke to the club a few weeks ago, they thought that you`d need to activate sharing a least week before the game, but they werent 100% certain and that this might change. Anyone know what the latest position is? Would be good if you could do this at least 24 hours before a match.

dazzer6666 · Aug 17, 2021

nwgull said:
That’s actually not a bad idea. Seeing as though transfer to Albion+ members is both legal and club endorsed, I can’t imagine they’d have a problem with such a thread existing on NSC.

Can’t see the club letting [MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] have something like that on here……would be potentially taking revenue from the club :shrug:

Nitram · Aug 17, 2021

Bry Nylon said:
But then no other club has to pay for travel to and from the stadium for all home and away supporters that use it for the past 10 years either and into the foreseeable future too. There is a limit to what the club can keep paying for in the face of multi-million pound loses plus supporters demanding a PL quality squad.

Anyone would think this charge is compulsory. It's optional. If I want to go and see Spurs on a borrowed ST, I look forward to Daniel Levy paying for my travel costs around London.

At least that is a bit of honesty in saying that this is a cash collecting exercise and not all that bull about being Covid ready.
Our lowest priced season tickets are more expensive than most other clubs so it’s not unreasonable, and sensible to believe that the club factored travel in with pricing.
No it’s not compulsory, but that does not stop people expressing a view that the club is charging for something that other clubs don’t worry about, sharing a ticket without hassle or charging for it.

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