beorhthelm
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as someone once said, the guns do help.
Piers Morgan Debates Gun Control with Alex Jones on CNN
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as someone once said, the guns do help.
greyseagull
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When he broke into a different accent he started off ever so slightly as a Macedonian gypsy, then a homeless Russian peasant, before coming back West and sounding like Joanna Lumley. Honestly, listen carefully.
beorhthelm
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going to back any of it up? violent crimes are not higher in here than the US, i really dont know why this myth is being trotted out (ive checked before, i really cant be arsed to again). funny you pick up specifically on mugging, i'd hazard a guess at either cherry picked data or a flaw in statistic gathering (ie different qualifications). also wonder if any drop in NY mugging correlates with introduction of local gun control as they are one of the stricter areas.
This. For example, can you provide evidence that there are more deaths in the UK (per capita) than in the US? Alex Jones was saying we have 10s of thousands killed with knives here.
dingodan
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UK is violent crime capital of Europe - Telegraph
The most violent country in Europe - Britain worse than South-Africa, U.S.
Is Harlem safer than here? - News - London Evening Standard
"But research by the Conservative Party claims that you are now more likely to be mugged in Lambeth than Lennox Avenue. The borough, which includes Brixton, has a street crime rate four times that of Harlem.
For the rest of the capital the chances of being mugged are 25 per cent higher than on what were once regarded as the meanest streets in New York. London had 7.4 robberies per 1,000 residents last year. In Harlem it was 5.9."
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Jesus,,,I despair, I really do. It even states in the aticle that the reason for the reduction in Harlem is down to tougher policing, not tooling-up the average citizen with semi-automatic weapons.
Besides, I'd rather face a slightly increased chance of being mugged than an increased chance of being shot. Gun nuts just do my head in....
Besides, I'd rather face a slightly increased chance of being mugged than an increased chance of being shot. Gun nuts just do my head in....
Jesus...I despair, I really do. It even states in the article that the reason for the reduction in Harlem is down to tougher policing, not tooling-up the average citizen with semi-automatic weapons.
Besides, I'd rather face a slightly increased chance of being mugged than an increased chance of being shot. Gun nuts just do my head in....
See, they even make me post the same thing twice.
Besides, I'd rather face a slightly increased chance of being mugged than an increased chance of being shot. Gun nuts just do my head in....
See, they even make me post the same thing twice.
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beorhthelm
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well kudos for trying Dingodan, but looks like cherry picking. the first two dont compare London and New York at all and the last is from 2002. your arguement is based on 10 year old stats? better than the normal effort though. i could go into normalising the data (we count ABH and affray in violent crime, other countries dont; SA has low "violence" recorded but the murder rate in SA is astonishingly high) but its very dull and you wouuld still think that because we have more GBH than say France that means gun control in the US isnt necessary.
Lyndhurst 14
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Agreed. I feel safer working in New York than I did working in London. NYC does have some of the strictest gun controls in any state…….but I also think that there is more respect for other people and less aggression compared with London, but that’s another discussion…………
dingodan
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The first two talk about the Nation as a whole.
I said, "violent crime rates are higher here than in the U.S." You said, "violent crimes are not higher in here than the US".
Here is a quote from one of the articles (dated 2009), "The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa."
EDIT: Your point about recording crimes is fair, but that works in all directions, we are certainly not immune from massaging figures to give a better impression, in fact we are particularly good, almost "Soviet" at it. For example, from one of the articles:
"But last October it emerged that levels of violent crime in England and Wales had been underestimated for more than a decade because of a blunder in recording methods.
Ministers admitted that some police forces had not been recording offences of grievous bodily harm with intent as serious violent crime. When the offences were included violent crime figures immediately increased by a fifth."
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beorhthelm
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so having established that London and the UK has higher recorded incidents of violent crime than the US, and that it hasnt got any link to gun legislation, what exactly is the point of this cul-de-sac?
dingodan
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Well this all began here: Piers Morgan Debates Gun Control with Alex Jones on CNN - Page 4
"going to back any of it up? violent crimes are not higher in here than the US, i really dont know why this myth is being trotted out (ive checked before, i really cant be arsed to again)."
So I guess this is where you apologize and acknowledge that actually yes, violent crime rates are higher here than in the U.S., that it is in fact not a myth as you claimed, maybe admit that when you said you had checked you were lying, and then - get off my case jumping on everything I say, and maybe quit demanding evidence from me all the time, and start supporting the things you say with some evidence of your own.
Here's hoping.
beorhthelm
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dingodan, i have already acknowledge twice you've come up with something to back you case, so congratulate you on that and apologise. i'm not lying about the data i previous found, iirc i posted links here. on reflection it was specifically about gun related crime vs gun related crime, not overall recorded violence incidence, which would be more relevant.
JamesAndTheGiantHead
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He keeps banging on about 'violent crimes' in the UK as his main selling point, but to be honest I'd rather take my chances with a good old fashioned kicking than some sort of 'God is in my cock' Loony Toon with a machine gun any day.
The Modfather
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That Alex Jones has let himself go since he left Blur
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And she has changed a bit since she was last on the One Show - Master of Disguise.
Mackenzie
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Problem with America is that its full of pig ignorant, shit for brain Americans. And Piers Morgan.