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I see where you're coming from, but the logic behind the system is that everyone gets the same number of bites at the cherry, it's just that for a lot of people each of those bites will the same bite as their previous bite. So to speak. Because if every preference for every candidate counted...

Round 1: "Who do you prefer out of A, B, C, D & E?". Everyone's first preferences count. Let's say E gets knocked out. Round 2: "Who do you prefer out of those candidates left, i.e. A, B, C & D". It is assumed that if you preferred, say B, out of A-E then you also prefer B out of A-D, so you...

I don't think so. I think the rules say that they are the minima and maxima, but specifically say it can't be square. Mind you, 101x100 wouldn't be far off...

Haha! I might actually get no work done at all if we got onto that... Spot on though - up the Albion! :albion1:

This is a referendum between two options for our voting system. Don't forget that any vote "against AV" is a vote "for FPTP". You might not support FPTP, but quite simply this referendum decides which of the two systems available we use at the next general election. The point I was making about...

Well, this is of course the entire point. FPTP was designed for a two-candidate system. In 1955, 97% of voters voted for one of the two main parties, so a 2 party voting system made sense. Last year it was less than two thirds, so clearly we need a change. I just don't see it this way. I see...

But... we won this division in 2001/2. BADFAN! :wink:

Nope, were that to say "AV" instead of "FPTP" it would be a complete lie/mis-statement. The whole point of AV is, as I've said above, that it guarantees that in a straight-fight the winner is preferred by the majority to the candidate that comes second. In the example I gave, that you're...

And he said this, about FPTP: Nice selective use of quotes though - can we debate honestly now?

There are only three countries in the world that use *instant* run-off, yes. There are many more that use staggered run-off voting, and there is a massive majority that use PR. Surprisingly few use FPTP which is the only alternative here. You offer absolutely no argument here as to why it is...

Wow - a lot of posts since I've had chance to come back to this thread, and I don't have the time to reply to every comment right now. On this one though... Not quite right - it's a mandate in the sense that the winning candidate is guaranteed to be preferred by the majority of the candidate...

You get to change your mind? Well, yes - but if your first preference out of A, B or C is A, it's a pretty fair bet that your first preference out of just A or B is also... A? Question 1: Who do you prefer out of A, B or C? I choose C, you choose A. No-one gets 50% Question 2: Who do you...

If more people turn up and spoil their ballot paper than vote for any of the candidates (or a "none of the above" option wins) then that's exactly what the result says, yes. If less than 50% turn up, then they don't care, and the winner requires 50% support from 50% the voters that do care...

Is it perfect? Nope. I've not claimed it is. However, this is a referendum between AV & FPTP, and AV is (for me) far, far superior to FPTP. To be truly representational, of the constituents' votes, you'd need PR - which I would vote for over both of the options currently available. But there...

Spectacularly 100% wrong. Majority means more voted for than against. Under FPTP you can get elected without a majority - last May one MP got elected with 29%! Under AV you need a majority. Your sentence is absolutely an argument for AV (Your point about some people getting more votes than...

Everyone's first votes count the same, and everyone's second votes count the same. Your first and second just happen to be for the same person, as my previous post. I agree that turnout is a problem. In Australia (where they already use AV), they also have compulsory voting - with failure...

Sorry, maybe I should be a bit clearer. The best way is probably to use an already existing example (though there are a few to choose from) - The French Presidential Election 1. Everybody votes on the three (usually) candidates. Nobody gets 50% 2. The bottom candidate is eliminated and...

Yarp - but that was in the Championship. Think 101 is the record for this division.

Why do people keep banging on about 100 points? I've heard (so it may not be true - someone may be able to confirm) that the all-time record in this division is Fulham's 101 - if that's the case, surely the target is 102?

As an extension to The Daily Mail Test, there's also the party leader test: Party leaders in favour of AV: Nick Clegg (Lib Dems) Ed Miliband (Labour) Caroline Lucas (Green) Alex Salmond (SNP) Ieuan Wyn Jones (Plaid) Margaret Ritchie (SDLP) Party leaders campaigning for a NO vote: David...