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To get elected, the winner needs 50% of the vote. By definition, this will be more than all the other parties put together. Therefore they win even if the other votes are exchanged between parties (be that tactically or by any other method). Voting "tactically" (voting for someone else first...

Sorry if this sounds stupid, but I don't understand what you're saying. There is absolutely nothing for them to gain by voting tactically under AV in this situation, so what are you getting at?

I think this one sums it up better :thumbsup:

Absolutely. The "big two" have always tried to fix the system to help them while they were each in power. Given that only 65% of voters actually vote for either of them (May '10) we need a system that doesn't let them do this. AV is a step in the right direction.

Of course, you could apply this whichever way Thursday's result goes. IMHO, as long as those in power can use the argument "the people have shown their support for FPTP" then a No vote will be even worse for those wanting PR further down the line. Don't get me wrong, I don't at all support...

Think we must have posted at the same time! See my post further up this page :)

If he hadn't got "into bed with them", there would be no referendum on any reform whatsoever, so I'm not really sure what relevance this point has to the AV debate?

In a word, no. In terms of keeping out a particular person, it doesn't matter if you put them 1st or 12th as long as they're above the party you want to keep out. It's all about reaching 50% - if they reach 50% then it doesn't matter which party your vote is for as they've got more than all the...

Clegg is dead and buried anyway. The local elections will be another nail in his coffin, and even if he survives as long as the coalition does (even if that's all 5 years) he won't be leader after the next election. Electoral Reform, on the other hand, is a long-term decision. Voting either way...

Impossible to say for certain, obviously, but I'm certain that a Yes vote will not push it off the agenda at all in terms of campaigners - those who want PR now will still want it, and they'll be buoyed by the momentum it gave them. A No vote (aka "let's stick with the status quo") will knock...

Even though the sole winners of anything he loses from a No vote are the Conservative party?

A "No" vote on Thursday will (rightly or wrongly) be taken as a statement that the population is happy with FPTP, particularly by a Conservative party who will take any excuse to avoid reform. They only gave us this referendum as a price to secure the coalition; there is no chance they'll ever...

Found any more? Nope. Took a few though. Uploaded most of them to Flickr at http://www.flickr.com/photos/danjc003/sets/72157626506481973/ or here's my favourite two...

If the appointment system worked well based on expertise alone then there would be no need for any of the Lords to be affiliated to a political party. At the moment we have hundreds of Tory Lords, Labour Lords and Lib Dem Lords all being appointed - so many that the House is now overflowing...

You may need to look at which way round the cause and effect are there...

This is the point I think - Cameron will be delighted by the fact that this "uproar" has happened about three little words, because it hides/get more attention than him going into PMQs with a little planned bit about a Labour MP but having his facts plain wrong.

Nope, she never wore them, but likewise I never wore the red... Like all good things it came to an end, but no it wasn't to do with the shirts!

I was once offered that by a girlfriend, on the condition that I would return the favour another time by wearing a Wales rugby shirt. Rightly or wrongly, I declined the offer...

Let us not forget that the greatest thread in NSC history - Hiney Art - was spawned by a grown man wearing a replica shirt on his holidays... :bowdown:

If I ever bump into you at a match, I will buy you a beer. You have just made me a very happy man. :bowdown: